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Re: Arrow

Post by Hawthorne » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:40 pm

Thanks for your compliments. He was pre-approved by the TDR pending health testing. I very much appreciate the TDR giving "pre-approval pending health testing" so that I wasn't wasting my money on his health testing. I submitted a rather long proposal listing his attributes and faults and what I thought he would bring to the breed. Because Freyja is already such a nice dog structurally, Arrows structure will only "set" all the proper traits as well as add good health. I had Arrow's hips and elbows done. Friday he goes in for his eyes, and after his eye results are in I will send his owner the DNA kits for both DM and DNA parentage. Our plans are to use him on Freyja for her last litter next March. It's a two day drive there, but I can't wait!! It's such a lovely part of the country but the roads can be very bad depending on snow conditions. So--fingers crossed all around. :P
We plan on keeping a female from this litter.
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Re: Arrow

Post by JWalthall » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:51 pm

I agree that Arrow is beautiful. And if his temperament is that good then he sounds great!
I realize that Pannus worries those looking to improve the breed. And I’ll leave the breeding to the professionals :D

But if anyone wants a real experience of a dog with Pannus, I have a greyhound with Pannus (she’s 9 yrs old). She was diagnosed about 6 months ago. After a month with my vet and no real progress I took her to a specialist. I happen to have an excellent canine opthamologist in my area (who I have used before, he helped get my shepherd mutt’s eyesight back after his retinas detached – long story).
I’m pretty sensitive to symptoms because of the issues I had with Aleister so symptoms began with a slight redness in the white of her eyes and a very subtle graying effect over the outside of the eye, as well as a small brown patch in the white which the specialist later explained as veins. After talking to the specialist he said my vet was on the right track just not quite aggressive enough. So we started a regiment of 2 different eye drops, and a cream twice a day. After 3 months we dropped the cream, and she’s down to 3 drops a day (total) of two different drops. The redness is gone, the graying is gone, and the veining is greatly reduced. In about a week I hope to get her down to 2 drops a day. He did say that since it’s UV related that it is common to reduce the drops in the winter and increase in the summer. She reacted really well and there has been no loss of eyesight. Last check-up he said he could barely tell she has Pannus. In a month or so it will just be a regular maintenance. She will require drops for the rest of her life. The good news is that the drops are inexpensive ($10 or so per bottle, and with only 1 drop a day the bottle will last a long time).
Long story short, Pannus is not hard to keep under control, but does require regular maintenance for life.
To my knowledge none of her siblings have developed Pannus and Raelen has a history of auto-immune diseases. This will be #2 we have dealt with.

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Re: Arrow

Post by JWalthall » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:53 pm

Hawthorne wrote:Thanks for your compliments. He was pre-approved by the TDR pending health testing. I very much appreciate the TDR giving "pre-approval pending health testing" so that I wasn't wasting my money on his health testing. I submitted a rather long proposal listing his attributes and faults and what I thought he would bring to the breed. Because Freyja is already such a nice dog structurally, Arrows structure will only "set" all the proper traits as well as add good health. I had Arrow's hips and elbows done. Friday he goes in for his eyes, and after his eye results are in I will send his owner the DNA kits for both DM and DNA parentage. Our plans are to use him on Freyja for her last litter next March. It's a two day drive there, but I can't wait!! It's such a lovely part of the country but the roads can be very bad depending on snow conditions. So--fingers crossed all around. :P
We plan on keeping a female from this litter.
Be safe! And enjoy the fresh air. That's what I really miss from home since I moved to the east coast...

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Re: Arrow

Post by arianwenarie » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:06 pm

Hawthorne wrote:Thanks for your compliments. He was pre-approved by the TDR pending health testing. I very much appreciate the TDR giving "pre-approval pending health testing" so that I wasn't wasting my money on his health testing. I submitted a rather long proposal listing his attributes and faults and what I thought he would bring to the breed. Because Freyja is already such a nice dog structurally, Arrows structure will only "set" all the proper traits as well as add good health. I had Arrow's hips and elbows done. Friday he goes in for his eyes, and after his eye results are in I will send his owner the DNA kits for both DM and DNA parentage. Our plans are to use him on Freyja for her last litter next March. It's a two day drive there, but I can't wait!! It's such a lovely part of the country but the roads can be very bad depending on snow conditions. So--fingers crossed all around. :P
We plan on keeping a female from this litter.
Sounds fantastic... It's a shame I won't be ready for a Freyja x Arrow pup, but I remain optimistic. ;) Good luck!

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Re: Arrow

Post by Tiantai » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:47 pm

Patience is the key ;)
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Post by Sylvaen » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:30 am

Would they consider freezing/shipping his sperm? :)
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Re: Arrow

Post by akaye531 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:53 am

He is gorgeous. Looks and sounds like he can add some very nice physical and personality traits to the Tamaskan. I'm excited about this breeding (and will be ready for a pup next spring/summer :D :D :D )

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Re: Arrow

Post by Tiantai » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:18 am

Sylvaen wrote:Would they consider freezing/shipping his sperm? :)
Oh you are totally looking forward to have this sperm sample of his, aren't you, Debby? Can't blame you, Arrow IS a handsome dog :D
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Re: Arrow

Post by Hawthorne » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:09 pm

Sylvaen wrote:Would they consider freezing/shipping his sperm? :)
Yes she would. Actually she plans on putting "Arrow on ice" for her own kennel's purposes. I would rather travel and do a natural breeding, though. It's 22 hours. I've been known to do 17 or 18 in one day. :P Freyja is a good traveler, too. We've been all over together. :lol:
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Re: Arrow

Post by Sylvaen » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:56 pm

Hawthorne wrote:
Sylvaen wrote:Would they consider freezing/shipping his sperm? :)
Yes she would. Actually she plans on putting "Arrow on ice" for her own kennel's purposes. I would rather travel and do a natural breeding, though. It's 22 hours. I've been known to do 17 or 18 in one day. :P Freyja is a good traveler, too. We've been all over together. :lol:
That's great to hear! :D
Yes, I totally agree that a natural mating is best and that opportunity should always be taken whenever possible; plus Linda has a beautiful house in a great location - you can make a mini holiday out of it! I was just thinking more in terms of those of us who live overseas (planning for the future)... ;)
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Re: Arrow

Post by arianwenarie » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:47 pm

Question out of curiosity: If Arrow is fully approved by the TDR as an outcross stud, would it be for one-time use or would it really depend on Arrow's owner?

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Post by Booma » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:30 pm

^ good question.
Will arrow be restricted to a certain number of litters? Everyone seems to want to use him. Also, will people have to wait to see how his first litter with freyja turns out/grows up before he is allowed to be used again?
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Re: Arrow

Post by Sylvaen » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:48 pm

Kylievr wrote:Everyone seems to want to use him.
So far only Tracy will use him and I think I'm the only other person who has expressed an interest (lol) - not sure how this constitutes as "everyone" :P

But yes, I will first wait to see how the Freyja X Arrow pups turn out. ;)
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Re: Arrow

Post by Hawthorne » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:15 pm

Yes, his owner is willing to let other breedings take place. His dad, Oken, is also available to us, too. However, someone else can pay for his health testing! LOL
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Re: Arrow

Post by Tiantai » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:22 pm

Hawthorne wrote:Yes, his owner is willing to let other breedings take place. His dad, Oken, is also available to us, too. However, someone else can pay for his health testing! LOL
And may I ask who IS this someone else?
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Re: Arrow

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Tiantai wrote:
Hawthorne wrote:Yes, his owner is willing to let other breedings take place. His dad, Oken, is also available to us, too. However, someone else can pay for his health testing! LOL
And may I ask who IS this someone else?
I believe Hawthorne means that if a breeder wants to use Oken, then they'll need to go through the process of getting Oken approved by the TDR for use as an outcross stud. That would include, at a minimum: submitting a proposal to the TDR along with a battery of health testing (of which will be paid by the person wishing to use Oken as outcross stud). ;)

This is what Tracy & Ben had to do for Arrow - they've paid for all of Arrow's health testing to submit to TDR for approval as outcross stud.

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Re: Arrow

Post by Tiantai » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:23 pm

I see, thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Arrow

Post by Hawthorne » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:51 pm

arianwenarie wrote:
Tiantai wrote:
Hawthorne wrote:Yes, his owner is willing to let other breedings take place. His dad, Oken, is also available to us, too. However, someone else can pay for his health testing! LOL
And may I ask who IS this someone else?
I believe Hawthorne means that if a breeder wants to use Oken, then they'll need to go through the process of getting Oken approved by the TDR for use as an outcross stud. That would include, at a minimum: submitting a proposal to the TDR along with a battery of health testing (of which will be paid by the person wishing to use Oken as outcross stud). ;)

This is what Tracy & Ben had to do for Arrow - they've paid for all of Arrow's health testing to submit to TDR for approval as outcross stud.
Yes, this is correct.
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Re: Arrow

Post by Ryphen » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:13 am

Makes me wish I could afford another one!

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Re: Arrow

Post by JenTehLuv » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:16 am

All this talk of future outcrosses in the US has me almost giddy! :lol: Best of luck to all of you who are involved and may everything go according to plan! :D

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Re: Arrow

Post by Kootenaywolf » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:27 pm

He's really nice looking!

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Re: Arrow

Post by arianwenarie » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:52 pm

Kootenaywolf wrote:He's really nice looking!
That's what we're all saying... lol. Would LOVE to see how his pups turn out..

@Hawthorne:
Has Arrow been used for breeding before? If he's got some pups on the ground, I'd be interested to see how they've developed. ;)

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Re: Arrow

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arianwenarie wrote:
Kootenaywolf wrote:He's really nice looking!
That's what we're all saying... lol. Would LOVE to see how his pups turn out..

@Hawthorne:
Has Arrow been used for breeding before? If he's got some pups on the ground, I'd be interested to see how they've developed. ;)
I'll let Hawthorne answer definatively, but his birthday is listed as 11/20/2011. So he's not very old. I wouldn't expect him to have sired any previous litters.

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arianwenarie wrote:
Kootenaywolf wrote:He's really nice looking!
That's what we're all saying... lol. Would LOVE to see how his pups turn out..

@Hawthorne:
Has Arrow been used for breeding before? If he's got some pups on the ground, I'd be interested to see how they've developed. ;)
No, this will be his first litter. His owner is going to fly out to see the puppies :)
There are photos of his mom, dad, sisters, grandmother and grandfather on their website. The folks that own the kennel are fabulous people and I couldn't ask for a better experience.

Arrow is having his eyes CERF'ed today--should be done already. Linda will email me with the results and I will post right away. This is too exciting!
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Post by Hawthorne » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:30 pm

ARROW PASSED HIS CERF TEST! YIPPIE!!!!!
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Re: Arrow

Post by aerowrx » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:35 pm

Congrats! So when is the baby making?

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Re: Arrow

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Hawthorne wrote:
arianwenarie wrote:
Kootenaywolf wrote:He's really nice looking!
That's what we're all saying... lol. Would LOVE to see how his pups turn out..

@Hawthorne:
Has Arrow been used for breeding before? If he's got some pups on the ground, I'd be interested to see how they've developed. ;)
No, this will be his first litter. His owner is going to fly out to see the puppies :)
There are photos of his mom, dad, sisters, grandmother and grandfather on their website. The folks that own the kennel are fabulous people and I couldn't ask for a better experience.

Arrow is having his eyes CERF'ed today--should be done already. Linda will email me with the results and I will post right away. This is too exciting!
You're tempting me to make a trip out to Harrisburg just to see future Freyja x Arrow puppies.... lol. I'm hoping to get a 2nd dog by 2015 or 2016, but I need my mom's consent since she's gonna have to play puppy-sitter. XD

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:48 am

Congrats on Arrow passing his CERF test :)
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Post by akaye531 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:27 pm

Congrats to Arrow for passing his CERF test! What exciting news :)

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Post by Hawthorne » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:31 pm

aerowrx wrote:Congrats! So when is the baby making?
March :lol: :lol:
I can't wait!
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Re: Arrow

Post by Tiantai » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:09 pm

I wonder if Arrow has any Eurohound or Mackenzie River Husky in his ancestry
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Re: Arrow

Post by arianwenarie » Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:08 am

Hawthorne wrote:
aerowrx wrote:Congrats! So when is the baby making?
March :lol: :lol:
I can't wait!
I can't wait neither... ;)

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Post by balto13 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:11 am

Tiantai wrote:I wonder if Arrow has any Eurohound or Mackenzie River Husky in his ancestry
I wonder what breeds in general went into making them, Tracy, do you know?

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Post by Hawthorne » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:04 pm

He is a specific line of Alaskan Husky. They are very tightly controlled and there are only 60 of them in existence. They are called Hedlund Huskies. You can read more about them on the Hedlund Husky preservation page: http://www.hedlundhusky.com
However, for our information, the owner of the dog has requested that only "Alaskan Husky" be used in our records. I intend to respect her wishes as she has been so very graceful in allowing us to use her dog. This is a partnership: not a bridge burning. It is so very important that we maintain good relationships with other breeds. It is such bad etiquette to burn bridges.
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Post by balto13 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:07 pm

Hawthorne wrote:He is a specific line of Alaskan Husky. They are very tightly controlled and there are only 60 of them in existence. They are called Hedlund Huskies. You can read more about them on the Hedlund Husky preservation page: http://www.hedlundhusky.com
However, for our information, the owner of the dog has requested that only "Alaskan Husky" be used in our records. I intend to respect her wishes as she has been so very graceful in allowing us to use her dog. This is a partnership: not a bridge burning. It is so very important that we maintain good relationships with other breeds. It is such bad etiquette to burn bridges.

Completely understand, sorry if it came off as if I was suggesting otherwise.

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Re: Arrow

Post by JWalthall » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:09 pm

Hawthorne wrote:ARROW PASSED HIS CERF TEST! YIPPIE!!!!!
This is fantastic news!
I'm so happy for you and Arrow.

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Post by Hawthorne » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:15 pm

balto13 wrote:
Hawthorne wrote:He is a specific line of Alaskan Husky. They are very tightly controlled and there are only 60 of them in existence. They are called Hedlund Huskies. You can read more about them on the Hedlund Husky preservation page: http://www.hedlundhusky.com
However, for our information, the owner of the dog has requested that only "Alaskan Husky" be used in our records. I intend to respect her wishes as she has been so very graceful in allowing us to use her dog. This is a partnership: not a bridge burning. It is so very important that we maintain good relationships with other breeds. It is such bad etiquette to burn bridges.

Completely understand, sorry if it came off as if I was suggesting otherwise.
Oh no, not at all :)
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Post by Sylvaen » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:53 pm

the Alaskan Husky is a working "breed"... the individual dogs vary a lot depending on bloodline but they all serve a particular function (working / racing sled dog). So yes, they are a mixbreed / mutt (which is why they come in all shapes, sizes and colors) but they were bred for a specific purpose, over many generations, so this is why most Alaskan Huskies usually resemble tall, strong huskies - hardy and motivated. They were designed with pure purpose / function in mind, so all kinds of random matings took place (some bloodline also used hound dogs) but, ultimately, only the best and fastest dogs continued the bloodline and now they do look somewhat alike, in the same sense that the world's fastest Olympic runners all look somewhat alike (in body-type) due to serving a specific function. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Husky

The Hedlund Husky is just a specific bloodline of Alaskan Husky, with a documented background... (known ancestry as in: the individual dogs were listed and the bloodline was traced, but there is no concrete recipe for the various breeds that comprised the Hedlund Husky foundation dogs - "this percentage of Husky or that much Malamute" etc).
Hawthorne wrote:You can read more about them on the Hedlund Husky preservation page: http://www.hedlundhusky.com
wow look at the size of that dog in the photo! :o :D
People still talk about the rangy gray dogs Nels brought with him when he came to the Illiamna country, some 25 years ago.
Wonder how much wolf content there was in those early dogs... it would be very well diluted over the generations so it wouldn't be an issue today, but it explains why those original dogs were so tough and hardy - and why their contemporary descendants look so great, and are so well suited to their purpose.

Posted on the website of another Hedlund Husky breeding kennel:
The majority of sled dogs used by Nor’westers were apparently of random breeding and some carried more than a little bit of wolf-blood in their veins. On August 10th, 1801 Alexander Henry the Younger wrote “…(one) of my men brought in six young wolves he had found in one hole; they were very tame, and we proposed to keep them for the trains, as they are of the large species. (Henry 175) In 1819 an observer at Cumberland House noted “They (the dogs) resemble wolves, both in appearance and disposition. (Hood 46)

By far the best primary description of the sled dogs used in the Northern fur trade was provided in the colorful memoirs of H.M. Robinson, who wrote, “These animals are mostly of the ordinary Indian kind, large, long-legged, and wolfish with sharp muzzles, pricked ears, and thick, straight, wiryhair. White is one of the most usual colors, but brown, blue-grey, red, yellow, and white marked with spots of black, or of the other various hues, are also common. Some of them are black with white paws, others are covered with long rough hair, like Russian setters. There are others of a light bluish-grey, with dark, almost black spots spread over the whole body…. Most of them are very wolfish in appearance, many being half or partly, or all but entirely, wolves in blood. One frequently sees dogs which are said to be almost pure wolves.” (Robinson 224-225)

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Interesting, huh? Makes you wonder about wolf or wolf mix workability.

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Post by Hawthorne » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:31 pm

Arrow's DM test came back clear.
So, that's it for his health testing. To recap:

BVA Hips: 6
BVA Elbows: 0
CERF: Clear
DM: Clear

Minnesota here we come...
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Post by Sylvaen » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:23 pm

Hawthorne wrote:Arrow's DM test came back clear.
So, that's it for his health testing. To recap:

BVA Hips: 6
BVA Elbows: 0
CERF: Clear
DM: Clear

Minnesota here we come...
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Post by AZDehlin » Mon May 19, 2014 2:27 am

If a imported female unrelated to the common lines in the USA use him I would be interested in a pup from him... I like that he has Iditarod racing lines and Bear grease racing dogs behind him from some very well known racing kennels... great for my working line tamaskan :)

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Post by Hawthorne » Tue May 20, 2014 7:24 pm

Katelyn,
I know White Elk are considering using Arrow at some point. Possibly with Auri. And then there are all the Sylvan pups who are coming into the US, too :D It would be very exciting to see what he produces with different lines in the Tam. I'm just so excited to see what these pups look like and how the phenotypes of his pedigree either do or don't come through. Both he and his parents have "proper masking" so although a minute detail, it will be interesting to see how that translates in the pups. I guess we'll find out on Sunday!
It's interesting to me, too, that although he has racing dogs in his background, he is a calm dog. But, retaining that workability is one of my hopes for my kennel. I envy you every day--with all the snow you get and opportunity you have. It is very cool. Someday we'll get out of Harrisburg...
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Post by balto13 » Tue May 20, 2014 7:54 pm

Tiantai wrote:Will Arrow be added to this page?

http://www.tamaskan-dog.org/breed-info/foundation-dogs/
he already is ;)
Hawthorne wrote: I know White Elk are considering using Arrow at some point. Possibly with Auri.
interesting! I would like to see what that produces as far as markings go, do you know if it's via AI?

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Hawthorne wrote: I know White Elk are considering using Arrow at some point. Possibly with Auri.
interesting! I would like to see what that produces as far as markings go, do you know if it's via AI?
Um, I don't think they've determined that yet. Maybe write to inquire? They are quite a distance from Points Unknown as they are in Seattle and Points Unknown is in northeastern Minnesota. I drove Freyja there to breed her to Arrow and it was 22 hours one way from where I live. :lol: :shock:
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Post by AZDehlin » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:16 pm

Hawthorne wrote:Katelyn,
I know White Elk are considering using Arrow at some point. Possibly with Auri. And then there are all the Sylvan pups who are coming into the US, too :D It would be very exciting to see what he produces with different lines in the Tam. I'm just so excited to see what these pups look like and how the phenotypes of his pedigree either do or don't come through. Both he and his parents have "proper masking" so although a minute detail, it will be interesting to see how that translates in the pups. I guess we'll find out on Sunday!
It's interesting to me, too, that although he has racing dogs in his background, he is a calm dog. But, retaining that workability is one of my hopes for my kennel. I envy you every day--with all the snow you get and opportunity you have. It is very cool. Someday we'll get out of Harrisburg...

There is a bad rep for working race dogs as pets. Every single Alaska Husky that I have met out of the 100+ I have worked with are exactly the opposite they are couch cuddlers and are very laid back and even have way better recall than a average siberian husky or malamute. Way better in the house than Labs, Setters, and Goldens I have met. They are great workers and have the structure and drive to work if given the chance.

Sounds like 4 or 5 people are interested in using him already is the only turn off to getting a pup from him. (Freyja x Arrow, Raven x Arrow?, Tamina x Arrow?, Auri x Arrow?, Sylvaen Female x Arrow?). I think I will wait to import a outcross puppy from over seas to breed to Noque unless another potential unrelated outcross comes about in the USA.

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Post by Hawthorne » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:58 pm

Well Arrow's father, Oken, is available for stud services too. But he needs health tested. :D

Someone suggested that the US create a fund for testing potential outcross dogs rather than have it be up to the individual wanting to use the dog. I think that's a nice idea but I wonder if we could all agree on which dogs should be tested. After all was said and done, it was not a cheap date to get all of Arrow's health testing done to only have three pups result. I've mentioned before, but it would be nice if people planning on using Arrow could help out with his testing a little bit. If not, I feel like I'm being taken advantage of a little bit…

And those are just breeding plans. Things change all the time. No one knows what the future will bring.

What about getting a female Alaskan Husky from one of the kennels you are familiar with? Would they allow that? Or perhaps allow one breeding so you could get a pup? Just a thought...
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Post by balto13 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:51 pm

HiTenshi16 wrote:I really do like the idea of a fund being created for testing potential outcrosses, but how would we set that up? Would there be a way for some of that money to go back to you since you did all of Arrows?

sounds good in theory or paper, as Hawthorne said then you'd have to hope everybody agreed. What happens if majority vote yes on something? yes it would be democratic but then you've made bad blood or faith with a person or two who in the first place would have been pretty excited, ect. What might be more realistic is to ask if the people on your waiting list for *breeding* puppies might pitch in, and if there was another breeder interested in the stud to pitch in (and or people from their list who want a breeding dog). But that would probably have to be discussed prior to you paying for the stud, it won't be as easy to go back and tell these people they should pay you after you've done it. Hope that makes sense - sometimes what I think and type are different :oops: :lol:

(could a MOD move this part - talking about pitching in for outcross - to a new topic? I think it will be discussed further and the fundamental topic isn't 100% relevant to Arrow but is a good thing to discuss)
Hawthorne wrote:Well Arrow's father, Oken, is available for stud services too. But he needs health tested. :D

Someone suggested that the US create a fund for testing potential outcross dogs rather than have it be up to the individual wanting to use the dog. I think that's a nice idea but I wonder if we could all agree on which dogs should be tested. After all was said and done, it was not a cheap date to get all of Arrow's health testing done to only have three pups result. I've mentioned before, but it would be nice if people planning on using Arrow could help out with his testing a little bit. If not, I feel like I'm being taken advantage of a little bit…

And those are just breeding plans. Things change all the time. No one knows what the future will bring.

What about getting a female Alaskan Husky from one of the kennels you are familiar with? Would they allow that? Or perhaps allow one breeding so you could get a pup? Just a thought...

to be honest I am hoping not this many people use him. I know it's good to get different combos out there but if 3-5 per mating goes to breeding homes how much of his genes are out there, and how many breeding homes have his genes instead of a more diverse pup? as for getting this people to pay you I am not sure how that would go. While I don't want everybody to be bringing in out crosses willy nilly (along with recessive genes) I think a couple more ace candidates couldn't hurt. Some lines really should be paired up to "new blood".

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Post by AZDehlin » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:10 pm

Hawthorne wrote:Well Arrow's father, Oken, is available for stud services too. But he needs health tested. :D

Someone suggested that the US create a fund for testing potential outcross dogs rather than have it be up to the individual wanting to use the dog. I think that's a nice idea but I wonder if we could all agree on which dogs should be tested. After all was said and done, it was not a cheap date to get all of Arrow's health testing done to only have three pups result. I've mentioned before, but it would be nice if people planning on using Arrow could help out with his testing a little bit. If not, I feel like I'm being taken advantage of a little bit…

And those are just breeding plans. Things change all the time. No one knows what the future will bring.

What about getting a female Alaskan Husky from one of the kennels you are familiar with? Would they allow that? Or perhaps allow one breeding so you could get a pup? Just a thought...

Honestly I think it should be the person that wants to use the dog that pays for the dogs health testing or works out something with the owner of that dog. Like you pay for health testing but you get first breeding free... Several people take the risk on buying dogs for potential out crossings/foundation dogs and have to pay for the dog, their health testing by them selves and if they fail that is still their dog for the rest of that dogs life.

I can understand the feeling of being taken advantage of... I have felt the same with people bombarding me to use Noque, who has yet to have his health testing finished... Since I have taken the risk and money to bring this dog in my life and paid for testing plus extra testing that was asked of me, and he could live to 18 years (his grandmother did) I will be the first one to use him if his health tests come back good and since there is a risk with temperament seeing as he has siblings that are very shy I want to see what he creates before I just offer him.


I have looked into getting a bitch from some of the Alaskan Husky people I know but nobody would consider a litter it if it gets in the way of their training/ race plans. And there is only one bitch I would even think about adding from all the dogs I have met and she is scheduled for a spay cause she already has had a litter. I am looking for a tamaskan pup from and outcross mating from a little represented line in the USA.... Just hoping what I am looking for comes around soon.

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