DNA testing for coat colorations

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DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by sky » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:52 am

Have any Tam owners run DNA testing for coat colorations? I am looking to run the whole spectrum on Rook. I think the cheapest I've found it is $130. This will tell me if he carries for a mask and the agouti coloration. Could also test for coat length but not sure if that one is as important.

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by arianwenarie » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:01 am

This sounds rather interesting...Does the testing say anything about eye color? I think that'd be a plus to know as well. ;)

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by AZDehlin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:44 am

Didn't know their was a test for this, interested to hear what results you get for Rook.

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Post by Rahne » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:42 am

I would be interested in this too :)
What lab are you getting it done?

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:16 am

$130 :shock: for horses it's a lot cheaper

@Rahne, van Hearingen in NL doet het ook maar die maken nog al eens fouten

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:18 am

UCDavis is $85 for dogs for three tests

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Post by Rahne » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:22 am

Vajente wrote:$130 :shock: for horses it's a lot cheaper

@Rahne, van Hearingen in NL doet het ook maar die maken nog al eens fouten
hmm, het moet natuurlijk wel goed gebeuren ;)
Heb nu geen geld ervoor maar in de toekomst misschien wel interessant om te laten doen.

It needs to be done properly ;)
I don't have the money right now but maybe in the future it would be interesting to get it done.

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Tiantai » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:34 pm

That'll come in handy, I'd love to know the genes that encode for that awesome flashy shiny red coat in Freyja, Wave, Kana, Blaze, and Sampo. May become an advantage to producing more dogs with that coywolf-like colour :D
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Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:09 pm

Tiantai wrote:That'll come in handy, I'd love to know the genes that encode for that awesome flashy shiny red coat in Freyja, Wave, Kana, Blaze, and Sampo. May become an advantage to producing more dogs with that coywolf-like colour :D
unfortunately that is one thing that can not be tested ;)

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by sky » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:41 pm

She is right no aw test for the wild type coloration yet. However this site lists it, I think it's by a process of elimination that they determine they carry for it.

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:41 pm

sky wrote:Have any Tam owners run DNA testing for coat colorations? I am looking to run the whole spectrum on Rook. I think the cheapest I've found it is $130. This will tell me if he carries for a mask and the agouti coloration. Could also test for coat length but not sure if that one is as important.
before you spent unnecessary money, Rook is at(tan points), wich means he does not carry agouti, agouti (aw) is dominant over tan points ;)
and I'm quite sure he has a mask

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Vajente » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:51 pm

sky wrote:She is right no aw test for the wild type coloration yet. However this site lists it, I think it's by a process of elimination that they determine they carry for it.
aw doesn't cause the differents between red and grey, this is caused by a Phaeomelanin Dilution which is still unknown

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by sky » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:14 pm

Tams shout test the s locus for the piebald trait.

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Post by Sylvaen » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:24 pm

sky wrote:Tams shout test the s locus for the piebald trait.
Good thinking. :)
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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Nino » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:50 pm

I have been thinking about doing the testing myself, but know that Sølve cannot be bred, there is really no point in testing her.
I probably will do so when starting breeding :)
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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by firleymj » Thu May 16, 2013 2:00 am

Those of you willing to wade through the NIH genome paper, it's down to three genes for coat color, texture, and length. I found it interesting, but then again I'm a hardcore geek :lol:

http://www.nih.gov/researchmatters/sept ... 9genes.htm
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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Sylvaen » Thu May 16, 2013 11:47 am

UC Davis does coat color DNA testing:
Coat Color / Fur Type Price - $45 for a single test, $65 for two tests, $85 for three tests, $15 for each additional test.
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Post by AZDehlin » Thu May 16, 2013 2:10 pm

I will be doing this with Noque if he is accepted as and outcross and anyone who uses him has to test their female and then the offspring to make sure no pups with liver gene go to breeding homes... I would be doing this since Noque's dad is a liver, so Noque carries the gene and with possible other carriers in the Tamaskan I think it is important to not double up on the gene and crest more inconsistency in the breed.

Seriously considering having Zephyr tested too if I allow him to continue to breed.

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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Sylvaen » Thu May 16, 2013 2:28 pm

AZDehlin wrote:I will be doing this with Noque if he is accepted as and outcross and anyone who uses him has to test their female and then the offspring to make sure no pups with liver gene go to breeding homes... I would be doing this since Noque's dad is a liver, so Noque carries the gene and with possible other carriers in the Tamaskan I think it is important to not double up on the gene and crest more inconsistency in the breed.
Yep, it's a good idea...
AZDehlin wrote:Seriously considering having Zephyr tested too if I allow him to continue to breed.
Any reason why you wouldn't allow him to continue to breed?
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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by Tiantai » Thu May 16, 2013 3:43 pm

Hmm, I'd like to learn more about the procedures for this testing actually. I miss analytical biology :oops:
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Re: DNA testing for coat colorations

Post by AZDehlin » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Sylvaen wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:Seriously considering having Zephyr tested too if I allow him to continue to breed.
Any reason why you wouldn't allow him to continue to breed?
His line is quite well represented in the USA... I think we will quickly run into the issue of the Jackal senerio... 4 litters in north America from this line... And I am sure Tamraker will continue to breed leia a few more times and I am sure Tarheel will continue to breed Sequoia a few more times... Zephyr had one litter and four of his pups went to breeding homes.

On top of that Zephyr is not a dog that would of done well with and inexperienced owner... He needs to be on a chain when in the yard as he has broken the zipline over two dozen times... He has snapped the cable the eye screws the side of the house it was attached too (2 points) he even broke the pully and has broken a few sweedish snaps. He can not be trusted off leash at all and he can jump a 5 foot fence and dig under them just as fast. He is a working dog and needs a job. He is a little high energy for what I see in the standard to be used too much.

I dunno it will all depend on how his pups turn out.

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