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Post by blufawn » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:39 pm

For all those knowledge-hungry people on this forum, check out the new Tamaskan History pics on Facebook!

We're not giving them all out though, otherwise how would we encourage people to buy the Foundation Dog booklet? ;)
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Post by Sylvaen » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:24 pm

This is a great album. It's really nice to see the dogs that went into the creation of the Tamaskan breed and it also definitely shows the progression of the breed as it developed. :D
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Post by JoshC » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:42 pm

I liked looking at it alot thanks for posting them

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Post by Misaya » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:49 pm

I love it. Finally got to see some dogs further back in my two's pedigrees. Also great to see all the other dogs too. Fascinating :)
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Post by kendrrat » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:45 pm

wow thats really neat! love seeing all those great pics, wonderful idea, thanks!

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:45 pm

Love the photos and being able to see the dogs that eventually brought me Ulric :)
where can I buy the Foundation Dog booklet by the way?
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Post by Julie » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:56 am

:D Thanks for posting that link. It is nice to see pics of all the fore Fathers (and Mothers) of the Tamaskan! Good job

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Post by Sylvaen » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:15 am

HiTenshi16 wrote:where can I buy the Foundation Dog booklet by the way?
From the TDR, just email or PM Jennie (Blufawn) for more info.
You can also visit this topic HERE or the info page HERE to find out more. :)
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Post by Blustag » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:41 am

Just seen it myself. I took several of the pictures up there myself, and of course met the dogs in person so to speak. There are a lot of pics there that were supplied to me years back by a reliable scource too. Most of the dogs pictured are way back now and most I didnt own myself. If anyone is unsure which dogs we actually owned then please ask. We are only publishing pictures of dogs that we are 150% certain are behind our Tamaskan of today.

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Post by wen » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:08 am

great and really interesting
some husky "mix" were really wolflike
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Post by muensterland » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:15 am

This is a great album...Thanks for posting :)
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Post by blufawn » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:41 am

Thanks everyone, thought you'd like it :) even if I am slightly embarrased of some of the dogs, Buck being a good example lol
But your right, some of those Huskys have a very wolf like look (thats why we chose them) and already I have people contacting me asking me to spill the beans on what is in them as they cant really be Husky, so I have put up links to their Finnish Kennel Club pedigree pages so you can all see we are not hiding anything and they really are just plain old huskies.
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Post by Blustag » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:13 pm

Less of the "plain old" eh! ;) The huskies that I chose personally for our new bloodlines were researched very carefully and there are several on the page. I saw the dogs themselves, mothers, fathers, brother, sisters and so on and so on. All very wolfy looking, nice little ears, correct coat and so on. I must reiterate I was extremely careful in my selection which is why today's Tamaskan look so good ;)

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Post by malamutemick » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:51 pm

With Amazing Wolfy Looking DOGS Like These Who Needs To To Put Wolf In Them, As Some People Would Have You Belive ! :lol: :lol:

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Post by Blustag » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:56 pm

malamutemick wrote:With Amazing Wolfy Looking DOGS Like These Who Needs To To Put Wolf In Them, As Some People Would Have You Belive ! :lol: :lol:
My sentiments exactly Mick thankyou :D

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Post by blufawn » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:57 pm

Can you believe someone actually claimed they owned the copyrights to the photos of all the Finnish dogs on the facebook page and tried to have them taken down.....Maybe the links to the FKC pedigrees threaten their rumours about wolf content....lol
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Post by JulieSmith » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:19 pm

You are not trying to spoil someones fun are you, how could you spoil their rumours lol

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Post by Taz » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:54 pm

Very interesting, those husky's are gorgeous.
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Post by Blustag » Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:34 am

blufawn wrote:Can you believe someone actually claimed they owned the copyrights to the photos of all the Finnish dogs on the facebook page and tried to have them taken down.....Maybe the links to the FKC pedigrees threaten their rumours about wolf content....lol
Lol now that is funny cause I took the majority of them if not all of them will have to have another look... :lol:

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Post by blufawn » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:37 pm

Stupid facebook have taken them down until the issue is resolved, sorry guys. Hope you all got to have a look before they disappeared. But they will be back.......whoever it is has only so many days to provide proof of copyright before they go back up :)
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Post by Amy » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:00 pm

This is a great album...Thanks for posting :)

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Post by WhiteElkStag » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:47 am

A bit confused. I know that the Utonagan and the Tamaskan were both, in large part, created by mixing the same breeds. But I didn't realize that Tumanra was an Utonagan and not a Tamaskan. What's her history? Could you clarify?

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Post by CaliforniaWolf » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:05 pm

Onarian wrote:A bit confused. I know that the Utonagan and the Tamaskan were both, in large part, created by mixing the same breeds. But I didn't realize that Tumanra was an Utonagan and not a Tamaskan. What's her history? Could you clarify?
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Post by blufawn » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:27 pm

There are still Foundation Dogs that are used today that were not Tamaskan dogs when born, but re-registered when we bought them for using in the breeding program. You can tell a foundation dog as they have FD after their registration number (eg 21FD).

Tumanra was bred by a breeder of Utonagan and (at birth) she was registered with the Utonagan Society, we purchased her at 8 weeks and later re-registered her as a Foundation Dog with the Tamaskan Dog Register. Tumanra is technically not a 'pure' Tamaskan, but any puppies she produces are the first generation of our breed, this is reflected in the registered number of the pups (eg 34G1 means first generation 35G2 means 2nd generation)

The Tamaskan breed has 6 generations of purebred Tamaskan now, but if we were to mate a 6th generation Tamaskan with a Foundation Dog, the offspring would still be registered as a G1, its best to check out the pedigrees to find out how many generations you have.
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Post by WhiteElkStag » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:39 am

Excellent, thank you for the clarification Jennie.
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Post by CaliforniaWolf » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:52 am

blufawn wrote: The Tamaskan breed has 6 generations of purebred Tamaskan now, but if we were to mate a 6th generation Tamaskan with a Foundation Dog, the offspring would still be registered as a G1, its best to check out the pedigrees to find out how many generations you have.
Oh that makes sense. Many thanks for clearing that up!
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Post by Wave2Tuffy » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:29 am

Just out of curiosity, what trait was desirable about Buck to use him in the breeding program?

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Post by blufawn » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:30 pm

We didnt actually choose him, he is a foundation dog for the Northern Inuit breed. I cant see anything good about him other than his size, but you never know, I never met him in person.
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Post by wen » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:37 pm

blufawn wrote: he is a foundation dog for the Northern Inuit breed.
so, it would be great to underline if a dog is a direct tamaskan ancestor, or a secondary one (on the northern inuit, the utonagan or any other side of the fondations dogs), wouldn't it ?
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Post by Nino » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:45 pm

wen wrote:
blufawn wrote: he is a foundation dog for the Northern Inuit breed.
so, it would be great to underline if a dog is a direct tamaskan ancestor, or a secondary one (on the northern inuit, the utonagan or any other side of the fondations dogs), wouldn't it ?
I agree..
would be nice with an album for each generation too - fun to see how the breed evolves without being confused :lol:
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Post by CaliforniaWolf » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:51 pm

Nino wrote:I agree..
would be nice with an album for each generation too - fun to see how the breed evolves without being confused
Seconded, I love seeing how the breed has evolved :)
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Post by TheNorth » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:33 pm

Nice album....thanks for sharing with us :)

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Post by caninesrock » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:57 pm

Are all of those dogs siberian huskies or are some of them other breeds?

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Post by AZDehlin » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:12 am

caninesrock wrote:Are all of those dogs siberian huskies or are some of them other breeds?
No, some our husky crosses and others are Northern Inuit .

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Post by caninesrock » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:53 am

What breeds are these guys:

















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Post by AZDehlin » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:55 am

caninesrock wrote:What breeds are these guys:
















I am not going to be able to answer on all these dogs as I do not have a foundation dog book in front of me. I will answer to the best of my ability and someone else on here could fill in the rest I am sure.

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Link 2 & 3 (same dog):

Link 4: Tamaskan - 3rd Tamaskan imported into America (made the first breeding pair to states)
Link 5: Tamaskan - one of three Tamaskan's that fell into the hands of a Puppy Mill (RPK - Right Puppy Kennels)
Link 6 & 7 (same dog):
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Link 9: Tamaskan -The 1st female Tamaskan imported into America

I can make good guesses on the others but I don't want to give you information I don't have written info or sources on.

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Post by caninesrock » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:33 pm

Thank you. ^^

Does anybody know what breeds the four unidentified ones are?

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Post by Nino » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:28 pm

Link 6 & 7 - Taz - He should be mainly German Shepherd Dog. He is Tumanras grandfather and where the black colour comes from, he is BEFORE the Tamaskan breed though
Link 8 - Tumanra - she is a Tamaskan Dog Foundation dog - I believe that she is/was registered as an Utonagan too
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Post by caninesrock » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:11 am

Are you guys sure Taz didn't have some wolf in him? Since it was before the Tamaskan breed, I know it wouldn't be you guys fault if he did,but he looks like a midcontent wolfdog, not a german shepard mix. I've never seen a German Shepard that looked that much like a wolf before.

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Post by TerriHolt » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:30 am

i don't think lynn owned taz (going from memory, haven't worked out how to open new tabs on mobile yet), but i don't see no wolf. looks wolf-y but not wolf-dog-ish. looks basic GSD from back in the good ole' REAL GSD days before they got 'broken' and the breed standard went freakishly wrong where they learned to walk sat down :( ... can't tell too much just by pictures tho, look at how many 'wolfdog' pictures turned out to be tamaskan pictures ;)
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Post by Valravn » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:32 am

caninesrock wrote:Are you guys sure Taz didn't have some wolf in him? Since it was before the Tamaskan breed, I know it wouldn't be you guys fault if he did,but he looks like a midcontent wolfdog, not a german shepard mix. I've never seen a German Shepard that looked that much like a wolf before.
He looks very GSD to me. I think the first pic makes him look more wolfish because of the angle and how his head is positioned.

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Post by Blustag » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:00 pm

TerriHolt wrote:i don't think lynn owned taz (going from memory, haven't worked out how to open new tabs on mobile yet), but i don't see no wolf. looks wolf-y but not wolf-dog-ish. looks basic GSD from back in the good ole' REAL GSD days before they got 'broken' and the breed standard went freakishly wrong where they learned to walk sat down :( ... can't tell too much just by pictures tho, look at how many 'wolfdog' pictures turned out to be tamaskan pictures ;)
No I didnt own Taz but do know him, or at least did because he is now dead (old age) He definately dosnt have wolf in him. He was a cross GSD.
Photos can be very deceiving depending on the angles. I have many pictures
of him and in some you would swear he was a wolf particularly the ones taken
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Post by caninesrock » Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:41 pm

Any idea what other breeds are in him besides German Shepard? I'd really love to have a dog that looks like him.

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Post by Blustag » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:49 am

My Tumanra is almost a double of his and Dallas her daughter is also very similar but a lot smaller. Taz's photos are very decieving as he is not as big as
he looks on a lot of them. As Ive said before photos are decieving and can make the dog look a lot more wolfy than he is if taken correctly. Rann is another who looks very similar to Taz. Tumanra was mated to Rann and produced the first litter of all blacks. Most look like Taz. Taz being Tumanra's grandfather and Kenai's father.

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Post by issylupus » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:57 am



WAW... Jackal looks very like Cougar... any relation Lynn ?
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None whatsoever :D

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Post by blufawn » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:20 pm

Just added a few more of our 1st and 2nd generation dogs no longer breeding or recently passed away
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Post by caninesrock » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:45 pm

Blustag wrote:My Tumanra is almost a double of his and Dallas her daughter is also very similar but a lot smaller. Taz's photos are very decieving as he is not as big as
he looks on a lot of them. As Ive said before photos are decieving and can make the dog look a lot more wolfy than he is if taken correctly. Rann is another who looks very similar to Taz. Tumanra was mated to Rann and produced the first litter of all blacks. Most look like Taz. Taz being Tumanra's grandfather and Kenai's father.
Are all of those Tamaskans?

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Re: Tamaskan Ancestry

Post by Nino » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:59 pm

caninesrock wrote:
Blustag wrote:My Tumanra is almost a double of his and Dallas her daughter is also very similar but a lot smaller. Taz's photos are very decieving as he is not as big as
he looks on a lot of them. As Ive said before photos are decieving and can make the dog look a lot more wolfy than he is if taken correctly. Rann is another who looks very similar to Taz. Tumanra was mated to Rann and produced the first litter of all blacks. Most look like Taz. Taz being Tumanra's grandfather and Kenai's father.
Are all of those Tamaskans?
Taz is not a Tamaskan
I believe that Tumanra is a Foundation Dog
Dallas is a G1
Rann is a Foundation dog
Kenai is a Tamaskan - though have never produced and wasn't born one :)
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Re: Tamaskan Ancestry

Post by caninesrock » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:30 am

Nino wrote:
caninesrock wrote:
Blustag wrote:My Tumanra is almost a double of his and Dallas her daughter is also very similar but a lot smaller. Taz's photos are very decieving as he is not as big as
he looks on a lot of them. As Ive said before photos are decieving and can make the dog look a lot more wolfy than he is if taken correctly. Rann is another who looks very similar to Taz. Tumanra was mated to Rann and produced the first litter of all blacks. Most look like Taz. Taz being Tumanra's grandfather and Kenai's father.
Are all of those Tamaskans?
Taz is not a Tamaskan
I believe that Tumanra is a Foundation Dog
Dallas is a G1
Rann is a Foundation dog
Kenai is a Tamaskan - though have never produced and wasn't born one :)
What do you mean by wasn't born one? How could he not be born one? What was he considered then? A Utognan?
What breeds were Tumanra and Rann?

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