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Walkies

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:11 pm
by TerriHolt
untill today, Sam loved his 15 min walkies... now i can't get him even half way up the driveway, never mind up the street 15 mins.

we went out this afternoon and just started walking up the street when the boxer from up the street came up behind him and pounced on him (is still VERY nervous around dogs, we don't see many). sam ended up on his back (hard) and yelped. after that he panicked and went for me and the woman who own's the dog (which i felt like doing my self for not having the dog on a leash). i had to pick him up after 5 mins to get him home.

now he won't go out. i've been trying everything for the past 5 hours to get him to go out but half way up the driveway is as far as he will go. i gave in and give it a rest for tonight.

i was just wondering if he will forget and be his usual self after a day or 2 or is it going to take some re training? and it won't put him off other dogs will it? or even worse, make him agressive towards them? it's his 1st real (non distanced) encounter with another dog.

i am going to report her because i've lived hear for 5 years and i've seen it attack:

my baby girl jess - she looked at me as if it was my dog that was the problem (an oap dog that once took a kitten off the street, i found it curled up with her after going to my bedroom for something).

a golden retriever - she said "oh, i'm sorry... he doesn't normally do things like that! does your dog snap?"

the summer after that, the same golden as the year before - she said "oh, i'm sorry... he doesn't normally do that! i'm so very sorry!!!"

and now, Sam, to which she said... yup you guessed it ""oh, i'm sorry... he's not normally like that... he was just playing. he must have thought it was (insert other boxer it lives with hear, i was too worried about sam to catch the name). is "it"ok???

i'm gonna have to report it now (after a few months so she doesn't know it was me :| ). i was gonna (and should have) before, but i don't know how successful i'd be with the dog in question been owned by the manager of the vets i use.

would i need some sort of evidence? as of now, i don't got none because my street is so quiet and there is never anyone around. i don't know where the golden lives either.

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:28 pm
by JulieSmith
What a horrid thing to happen, I would certainly report her especially if it not a one off. If you see the person with the golden retriever ask them to report her as well. I had it happen once when walking Thor, but it was a chocolate Labrador rather than a boxer, I told the man that he needed to have his dog under control and either muzzled or on a lead. Luckily it did not put Thor off going for walks, but he was a bit more cautious of chocolate labs after that. I took to carrying one of those things you can use to throw tennis balls (found it one day on a walk) not for throwing a tennis ball, but just in case we met the lab again, something nice and hard to hit it with, but looks innocent when out walking. It might take a bit of work to get him to want to go out again, but he should recover. If you see the boxer again, you could try pick him up and yelling loudly at the woman to keep her dog under control, that might embarrass her into controlling her dog.

I hope it does not take too long for Sam to get over this.

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:31 am
by TerriHolt
thanks, i hope he does too... and i might just invest in one of those tenisball thrower thingys (does anyone actually know what it's called?) for a nice innocent looking weapon (for her not the dog :lol: i never blame a dog for it's actions, she lets it get away with too mush so it's just gonna keep on doing it) just incase the dog doesn't stop next time. i'm not sure if it tried to bite him or not but he had some slobber on his left shoulder.

i'll just try taking him a little bit further each time we go out :)

she used to let it roam where we live too (it's that quiet, there are no cars at all between cretain times) and it used to chase my cats around the cat pen (in my graden) then she complains cuz i took the dog back when she let it out.

and that is someone who is manager of my vets... we have no hope :lol:

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:42 am
by Jen
From personal experience with this problem I would strongly urge you to create some very positive experiences with dogs with your pup after that horrible one ,as if he meets no other dogs for a long time with this being the last thing he remembers he will obviously be expecting it to happen again. This same thing happened to sasha but with a pack of four collies and she was snapping at them in total fear and then began doing it to every dog she met which previously she had never ever done. It got to the point where I couldn't take her out to dog walking spots as we were both just nervous wrecks so I took her to puppy classes and arranged for every person I had ever met with a nice dog to come round to our house to play!! :lol: It took a really long time but she has much more confidence with other dogs now and I can now take her back to the place where the collies scared her and she enjoys her walks and mixes and plays with other dogs pretty well although she is still very submissive and careful.

I think this breed need a lot of socialisation anyway but especially now you need to set up some good gentle fun play sessions with nice dogs so he learns that most dogs are lovely!! :D

Hope that helps

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:48 am
by JulieSmith
Some people are idiots. I would have been very tempted to take the dog to the police as a stray if it kept pestering my pets and she complained if it was taken back.

Is there another vets you can go to? Then you will feel more able to complain about her. Its hard to complain about someone if they have a position of power somewhere you go.

Good luck

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:16 am
by TerriHolt
Jen wrote:From personal experience with this problem I would strongly urge you to create some very positive experiences with dogs with your pup after that horrible one ,as if he meets no other dogs for a long time with this being the last thing he remembers he will obviously be expecting it to happen again. This same thing happened to sasha but with a pack of four collies and she was snapping at them in total fear and then began doing it to every dog she met which previously she had never ever done. It got to the point where I couldn't take her out to dog walking spots as we were both just nervous wrecks so I took her to puppy classes and arranged for every person I had ever met with a nice dog to come round to our house to play!! :lol: It took a really long time but she has much more confidence with other dogs now and I can now take her back to the place where the collies scared her and she enjoys her walks and mixes and plays with other dogs pretty well although she is still very submissive and careful.

I think this breed need a lot of socialisation anyway but especially now you need to set up some good gentle fun play sessions with nice dogs so he learns that most dogs are lovely!! :D

Hope that helps

i'll have to go on a friendly dog hunt, we really don't see that many. i even got to the park where people normally take their dogs and we stayed for a good few hours but we only saw 3 oap dogs (which could hardly walk never mind play with a pup) and a snappy mini schnauzer.
i just hope there is a dog shortage and not the fact people just don't walk them :lol:

my grandma has a border terrier who i have named the demon dog from hell who is that horrid, satan himself banished him from the firey pit :lol: ... she has been too soft with him and he is leader of his pack... but that is a diff story...
JulieSmith wrote:Some people are idiots. I would have been very tempted to take the dog to the police as a stray if it kept pestering my pets and she complained if it was taken back.

Is there another vets you can go to? Then you will feel more able to complain about her. Its hard to complain about someone if they have a position of power somewhere you go.

Good luck
ther is one but he messed up while doing a simple job like cutting my bunnies teeth. he cut the gum and the bunny got an abscess that got infected and died... it was about 10 year ago but still... if he didn't mess up, my bunny wouldn't have died...

other than that, nope, no other vets :(

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:57 am
by Blustag
First thing to do is report her to her boss...the Vets.

What I do with young puppies both Tamaskan and my show dogs is when I take them on their first walk (which I did with Hunter the other day) is to take them to a quiet place where you only meet one or two people. If someone is coming towards you with a dog I should first to ask the owner IF the dog is puppy friendly. I then stop and wait for the dog to approach and let my puppy stay beside me. The strange dog will usually approach the pup and I hope that all goes well. A fright at this stage can be disasterous. I then continue on my walk once they have said a 'quick' hello... leave no room for any incidents. I then repeat each time I meet up with someone with a dog. After I proceed to a more popular walk which I did yesterday where there are lots of dogs and people. I use the same method of asking people well in advance IF their dogs are friendly. If not then I move out of the way fast to avoid any confrontations. Hunter was very suspicious of strange dogs at first but by the time we had got to the other end of the walk she had really settled down. All the way back she wanted to say hello to everyone and their dogs and looked much happier. I will take her out to the same place again today so she has happy memories.

Im sorry about you pup having such a fright but you will need to get him out again quickly but to a very quiet place and have a try at my way above. I would carry him up your path if he is reluctant to go...do you have a car? can you take him out somewhere nice and quiet in the car for a while? IF not then could you just carry him to the gateway and sit there for a bit letting people walk past. I had a Husky once that got a nasty scare walking past a bus stop full of lads at around 12 weeks of age. They didnt do anything but were just very noisy.... she never forgot it and now she is terrified of anyone she dosnt know. I could never show her after that. I tried every trick in the book to get her right including giving her homeopathy remedies but nothing worked. She is a love and great with people she knows well but is no good with strangers. The other thing of course is that sometimes these dogs will just attack everything after a scare as it is a case of Im gonna get you before you get me!

I do hope everything works out for you but dont delay in getting him back out.

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:57 pm
by TerriHolt
thnx lynn, i will get him back out even if i have to carry him up and down the street for a few days lol... i'll try the above method, see if that works. i had just got him to sniff noses with other dogs and i always made it clear the the other dogs owners that he was new to all this so the kept their dog back and let sam go to them.

i don't think i will have that much luck in the reporting sue tho.

http://www.vermuydenvets.co.uk/staff.html

the dog owner is sue and the dog is brodie (on the bottom of the freaking staff list, can u have a dog as staff???).

but, my grandma knows roddy. he used to do house calles to her well behaved dog she used to have. i'll ask if there is anyway to contact him directly.

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:05 pm
by Jen
TerriHolt wrote:
Jen wrote:From personal experience with this problem I would strongly urge you to create some very positive experiences with dogs with your pup after that horrible one ,as if he meets no other dogs for a long time with this being the last thing he remembers he will obviously be expecting it to happen again. This same thing happened to sasha but with a pack of four collies and she was snapping at them in total fear and then began doing it to every dog she met which previously she had never ever done. It got to the point where I couldn't take her out to dog walking spots as we were both just nervous wrecks so I took her to puppy classes and arranged for every person I had ever met with a nice dog to come round to our house to play!! :lol: It took a really long time but she has much more confidence with other dogs now and I can now take her back to the place where the collies scared her and she enjoys her walks and mixes and plays with other dogs pretty well although she is still very submissive and careful.

I think this breed need a lot of socialisation anyway but especially now you need to set up some good gentle fun play sessions with nice dogs so he learns that most dogs are lovely!! :D

Hope that helps

i'll have to go on a friendly dog hunt, we really don't see that many. i even got to the park where people normally take their dogs and we stayed for a good few hours but we only saw 3 oap dogs (which could hardly walk never mind play with a pup) and a snappy mini schnauzer.
i just hope there is a dog shortage and not the fact people just don't walk them :lol:

my grandma has a border terrier who i have named the demon dog from hell who is that horrid, satan himself banished him from the firey pit :lol: ... she has been too soft with him and he is leader of his pack... but that is a diff story...
JulieSmith wrote:Some people are idiots. I would have been very tempted to take the dog to the police as a stray if it kept pestering my pets and she complained if it was taken back.

Is there another vets you can go to? Then you will feel more able to complain about her. Its hard to complain about someone if they have a position of power somewhere you go.

Good luck
ther is one but he messed up while doing a simple job like cutting my bunnies teeth. he cut the gum and the bunny got an abscess that got infected and died... it was about 10 year ago but still... if he didn't mess up, my bunny wouldn't have died...

other than that, nope, no other vets :(
Well obviously the fact that there are no friendly dogs in easy reach makes it much harder but I would say finding a good puppy socialisation class would be your next move. If you look on the association of pet dog trainers website they have a list of your nearest classes / trainer.
I worry about your lovely pup being left with this horrid experience as once the damage has set in it is so hard to get them over it and a lifetime of not being able to happily walk in public places is so restricting and such a shame.

I really hope your boy is ok and is happily walking again soon :D

Re: Walkies

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:28 pm
by TerriHolt
I really hope your boy is ok and is happily walking again soon :D
thanks (bit late :D )

as of today, we left the driveway (after days of me stood on the street playing with yummy biscuits trying to tempt him forward) :D . we walked up the street (stopping at every house to make sure it's safe) and saying hello to people on the way past (note to self, some old people don't have a sense of humor), saw a yorkie so i asked if it was friendly and good with pups (thinking it would be best to start off small, and ya can't get much smaller than a yorkie) and the owner said yes so we went over. by this time i was thinking "yesssss, he's not scared for life"... and then he growled and backed off :(

sooo, we will be working on it but he wasn't too bad. he just backed away growling, it wasn't a panicked, run in all/any direction/lunge for the jugular kinda thing.

an old lady we walk past everyday got him a toy, everyone who we walk past loves him :P

Re: Walkies

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:57 pm
by Blustag
Keep up the good work and Im sure it will all turn out fine with much patience.
You are doing the right thing. Also are there any vets in your area or clubs who do puppy classes.... just for puppies not adults?

Re: Walkies

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:14 pm
by TerriHolt
there are a few out of town but i'm still working with sam on his car-a-phobia :? , as well as drooling and been sick (so far not in the car) he shakes realy bad. at the minute we are still walking past it (engine not running cuz he still backs away from it.) and only getting a treat while next to it.

but i will keep looking :)

Re: Walkies

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:57 am
by Blustag
I have a dog that used to do that. Everytime we walked past a car he would pull me away...just hated cars and was sick and drooling everytime. I just kept on with him and cleared up the mess. Now 4 yrs down the line :lol: he is ok... just :lol: Names Jackal :lol:

Re: Walkies

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:32 am
by TerriHolt
wow... 4 years huh? :lol: thats the main reason i can't get down to cornwall. there are hotels that allow pets down there which i was thinking about but it's a 6 hr (non stop) drive (7hr inc stops)... still gonna keep thinking (i don't give up till i have to :lol: ) :P but i don't blame her, i'd wanna see the "new" humans too ;) gutted, but as long as he finds a good home :P

doggy date tonight :mrgreen:

my partners brother has a 2 year old labradoodle that stays at his mum's every so often (complicated split, one gets the dog 1 month and the other the other month), anyhow, would it be best to take the dog out of the house and to a neutral place and let them find each other or to just take sam in (wouldn't have been a problem before but after that i wanna make sure i get it right... damage limitation ;) )

talked to the vet boss, no evidence, no case. i have got a lot of people to say she walks the dog off a lead so she has to using one. i kinda guess it's some sort of progress :?

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:34 am
by JulieSmith
I would say let them meet on neutral ground first then there are no territory issues.

For the car we put a cover on the back seat and take Saga for short trips on the school run as there is a great place to walk her next to my daughters school. Even just after a few days she is starting to get the idea that car = nice walk. She still drools horribly, but is getting better at going near the car. It takes time and a lot of car cleaning, but they do get used to it. When I took her for her second jab the vet said he looked after his sisters dog (not Tamaskan) and that used to hate cars, but he was doing large animals at the time so there was a lot of driving every day and after 2 weeks the dog was fine in the car.

If you want to go to Cornwall then I would say start now with short trips that end in a walk, then build up slowly. I am hoping it works with Saga as we are wanting to go camping this summer with her and that will involve a long car journey.

I hope the fact that someone complained about her dog has made her realise that she has a problem with her dog and she will now do something about it. At least if it is on a lead then it can not run up and start a fight so that is progress. I bet it shocked her that someone had the courage to complain, she probably felt her position in the vets gave her some kind of protection, well done.

Re: Walkies

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:51 pm
by Tropicalbreeze
We had the same car problem with Cassidy. She had to be carried in and out of the car! But it helped to take her out with her our other dog. She would jump right in and out of the car after her. Now she jumps in freely but sometimes doesn't want to come out..and still is a little nervous as she still drools from time to time. The key is to keep doing it to get her used to it and make it a positive and happy experience :). I am glad to hear that she is not the only one with car issues! ;)