Breeding combinations - health issues list

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:11 pm

Blustag Mystic Spirit (Bindi) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / ? pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)

Moonstone Lovelight at Right Puppy (Tasha) x Blustag Wanderer at Right Puppy (Moose) - 1 litter? / ? pups total:
* 1 x Epilepsy

Susi at Blustag (Susi) x Dingo at Blustag (Dingo) – 1 litter / ? pups total:
* 2 x Cryptorchidism

Blustag River Amazon at Moonstone (Shiloh) x Blustag Silver Moon at Moonstone (Robbie) – 1 litter / 5 pups total:
* 2 x Epilepsy

Blustag Menominee Owl at J&J (Woulf) x Blustag River Rising at J&J (Lobo) – 2 litters / ? pups total:
* 1 x Addison’s Disease
* 1 x Juvenile Cataracts
* 1 x Renal Dysplasia
* 3 x failing hips (4 tested)

Sulin Iola at Blustag (Tumanra) x Shadow of Yakama at Torriarno (Rann) – 1 litter / 5 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Susi at Blustag (Susi) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) - 2 litters / ? pups total:
* 1 x Arachnoid Cyst
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 2 x failing hips (3 tested)
* 1 x Epilepsy

J&J Moonstruck Tundra at Tarheel (Tundra) x Alba Daer at Tarheel (Blaze) -1 litters / 9 pups total:
* 1 x Cushings/ Addisons (No Necropsy was done to confirm one or the other)
* 1 x IBS (Protein Intolerance)

Heidi at Blustag (Heidi) x Ohanzee of Torriarno (Rann) – 2 litters / ? pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 1 x failing hips (4 tested)

Blustag Bindaree (Nevada) x Dingo at Blustag (Dingo) – 1 litter / ? pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Jodie at Blustag (Jodie) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 2 litters / ? pups total:
* 3 x failing hips (4 tested)

Blustag River Jordan at Sylvaen (Vixen) x Blustag Lapis Lazuli at Sylvaen (Jasper) – 1 litter / 5 pups total:
* 3 x Cryptorchidism

Alba Zuul at Blufawn (Zuul) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / ? pups total:
* 2 x failing hips (3 tested)

Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Djoser van Rijneckerhof (Bobbi) outcross – 1 litter / 10 pups total:
* 3 x DM affected (1 with symptoms euthanized)

Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 2 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)

Blustag Atlin (Frigga) x Blustag Desert Orchid at Saxon (Odin) – 4 litters / 38 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 2 x failing hips (9 tested)
* 1 x Epilepsy

Alba Sumarlidl (Kite) x Moonstone Make Me Pure at Alba (Odin) – ? litters / ? pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Alba Zuul at Blufawn (Zuul) x Blustag Desert Orchid at Saxon (Odin) – 1 litter / 1 pup total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 1 x Epilepsy

Heidi at Blustag (Heidi) x Blustag Sanuye (Bodie) – 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 1 x Epilepsy

Blustag Lumikoira (Devon) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 6 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)

Tarheel Ocracoke Treasure (Freyja) x Sugulba Pigs Might Fly (Dylan) - 1 litter / 9 pups total:
* 2 x Cryptorchidism
* 1 x IBS (Protein Intolerance)
* 1 x Addison's Disease

Jodie at Blustag (Jodie) x Dingo at Blustag (Dingo) - 1 litter / 1 pups total:
*1 x Cryptorchidism

Sylvaen Vatrena Lisica at Quicksilver (Vega) x Alba Rhudaur (Sampo) – 1 litter / 10 pups total:
* 2 x Cryptorchidism

Tarheel Corolla Dune (Kana) x Jaeger vom Muensterland (Jaeger) - 2 litters / 7 pups total:
*1 x Cryptorchidism

Blufawn Rogue at Sierra (Leilah) x J&J Devil of Piru at Hawthorne (Darwin) - 1 litter / 1 pup total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Blustag Yodel at Tarheel (Sequoia) x Jaeger vom Muensterland at Tarheel (Jaeger) – 3 litters / 18 pups total:
* 1 x Juvenile Cataracts

Tarheel Ocracoke Treasure (Freyja) x Blustag Blue Gem (Zephyr) - 1 litter / 6 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Saxon Aquila at White Elk (Rhea) x J&J Devil of Piru at Hawthorne (Darwin) - 1 litter / 10 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism (puppy neutered at six months of age)

Quicksilver Mercury Rising at Sylvaen (Vala) x Blustag Elliot (Xantho) - 2 litters / 6 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 1 x died of gastric dilatation volvulus (GDV)

Blustag River Jordan at Sylvaen (Vixen) x Blustag Elliot (Xantho) - 1 litter / 6 pups total:
* 1 x sudden death at 4 weeks old (blood clot in heart)

Saxon Slavyanka at Sylvaen (Zora) x Lupo vom Fenriersgard (Lupo) outcross - 1 litter / 12 pups total:
* 1 x died of gastric dilatation volvulus (GDV)

Sylvaen Vatrena Lisica (Vega) x Invincible Zente LOTWS (Zente) outcross - 1 litter / 4 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (BVA 27)

Ziva at Sunkmanitu Tanka O’waci (Ziva) outcross x Jack Daniels vom Muensterland (Jack) - 1 litters / 8 pups total:
* 1 x severe Subvalvular Aortic Stenosis (SAS)

Blufawn Dolly Parton at Le Lignage (Ayla) x Nanuq vom Muensterland (Nanuq) - 1 litters/ 9 pups total:
* 1 x Luxating Patellas

Saxon Pegasus (Tikaani) x D’Ninja vom Wolfstor (Ninja) outcross - 1 litter / 10 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Saxon Pegasus (Tikaani) x Blustag Silver Cloud (Mika) – 1 litter / 10 pups total:
* 2 x Subvalvular Aortic Stenosis (SAS)

Blustag Silver Ghost (Katara) x Ty-Ohni's A Bronx Tale (Balto) CWA outcross – 1 litters / 10 pups total:
* 1 x Luxating Patellas (grade 3, one knee)
* 2 x Cryptorchidism

Blustag Lumikoira (Devon) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 6 pups total:
* 1 x Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI)

Inara (outcross) x Blustag Bearberry (Ravi) – 1 litter / 5 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Tarheel The Red Lady Veronica (Tamina) x Sylvaen Pikachu (Pika) – 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Blustag Duchess (Leeloo) x Midas (outcross) – 1 litter / 7 pups total:
* 1 x Epilepsy

Fly vom Muensterland (Fly) x Ty-Ohni's The Godfather (Champ) CWA outcross - 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 4 x cleft palate (euthanized shortly after birth)
* 2 x Addison's Disease

Ayasha Sunkmanitu Tanka O'waci (Asha) x Akhuna vom Muehlengeist (Asgaard) - 1 litter / 9 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Angel vom Muehlengeist (Sayen) x Asgard vom Nordlicht (Asgard) - 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Sylvaen Charmander (Nero) x Sylvaen Katana (Ziva) - 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 3 x Cryptorchidism

Blustag Alabama (Tala) x Blustag Bearberry (Ravi) - 1 litter / 9 pups total:
* 1 x Juvenile Cataracts

Alba Rhudaur (Sampo) x Sylvaen Neko-Te (Selva) - 1 litter / 7 pups total:
* 1 x failed Gonioscopy

Sylvaen Vatrena Lisica (Vega) x Nanuk von Sirius Lupus (Nanuk) outcross - 1 litter / 6 pups total:
* 1 x Elbow Dysplasia (grade 2, one elbow)
* 1 x failing hips (BVA 19)

Ziva at Sunkmanitu Tanka O’waci (Ziva) outcross x Baron Jade of Mountain Tamaskan (Tami) - 1 litter / 7 pups total:
* 1 x Elbow Dysplasia

Blustag Sunsprite (Cheyenne) x Defenso vom Wolfstor (Defenso) outcross - 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 1 x Multi Allergy

Conan vom Münsterland (Socke) x Alba Errowin (Ima) - 2 litter /18 pups total:
* 1 x Distichia (1 eyelash)
* 1 x deformed leg (birth defect)

Blustag Nebraska (Lexi) x Alba Criterion (Dylan) - 1 litter / 9 pups total:
* 1 x cleft palate

Elin van ’t Aeise Sluske at Tarheel (Elin) X Tarheel Lionheart at Greystoke (Blaez) – 1 litter / 6 puppies
* 1 x aortic valve birth defect

Blanid Sunkmanitu Tanka O'waci (Kensi) x Hawthorne Katiyana (Koda) - 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism

Auri (Blufawn Sunshine on my Shoulders) x Max (Hawthorne Hellroaring Canyon) – 1 litter / 7 pups
• 2 x distichiasis

Sansa (Blustag Sarina) x Lynx (Blustag Pluto) – 1 litter / unknown number of siblings
• 1 x distichiasis

Ima (Alba Errowin) x Socke (Conan vom Munsterland) ? litters / 17 puppies
• 1 x distichiasis

Tala (Blustag Alabama) x Ravi (Blustag Bearberry) 1 litter / 9 puppies
• 1 x non-congenial cataract (per failed EVCO exam)

Freyja (Tarheel Ocracoke Treasure) x Zephyr (Blustag Blue Gem) 1 litter / 7 pups
• 1 x cataract in one eye, likely not inherited per canine ophthalmologist

Freyja (Tarheel Ocracoke Treasure) x Arrow (Points Unknown Arrow) 1 litter / 3 pups
• 1 possible lipid keratopathy – CAER eye exam in July to confirm

Ruuq (Hawthorne Astrila) x Darwin (J&J Devil of Piru) 1 litter / 7 pups
• 1 physiological murmur initial cardiac workup done and cleared, additional cardiac workup pending

Post by **Nino** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:15 pm

could you maybe add how many dogs are tested to the failing hips.. it's hard to give a more exact idea when you don't know the amount tested..

eg.
Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 2 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:52 am

Sawyer is Cryptorchid? I thought lynn had him out on a breeding contract?

Post by **TerriHolt** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:25 am

AZDehlin wrote:Sawyer is Cryptorchid? I thought lynn had him out on a breeding contract?

She will have sold him on breeding contract pending health tests and 'equipment' been in fully working order like she was going to do with Lynx... One would hope she would have changed her mind (but saying that, she has lost a lot of breeding options and will need to keep up her numbers).

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:01 am

Nino wrote:could you maybe add how many dogs are tested to the failing hips.. it's hard to give a more exact idea when you don't know the amount tested..

eg.
Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 2 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)

Sure, if I know how many are tested

AZDehlin wrote:Sawyer is Cryptorchid? I thought lynn had him out on a breeding contract?

He is around 18 months old now and only has one testicle descended.

Post by **Nino** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:06 pm

Rahne wrote:
Nino wrote:could you maybe add how many dogs are tested to the failing hips.. it's hard to give a more exact idea when you don't know the amount tested..

eg.
Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 2 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)
Sure, if I know how many are tested

Thanks a lot!
That gives a much clearer image of the ratio of failed hips

eg.
Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!

MelB · Post by **MelB** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:28 pm

Nino wrote:
Rahne wrote:
Nino wrote:could you maybe add how many dogs are tested to the failing hips.. it's hard to give a more exact idea when you don't know the amount tested..

eg.
Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 2 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)
Sure, if I know how many are tested
Thanks a lot!
That gives a much clearer image of the ratio of failed hips

eg.
Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!

Frightening indeed. Not to mention upsetting and blood boiling that it's been allowed to happen (& continue?).

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:35 pm

Nino wrote: Jackal has
18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!

Yikes! This is making me extremely worried about Zephyr's hips failing.
Zephyr has only had one sibling hip scored yet and she passed so hoping Zephyr's scores are close to hers.

SEO · Post by **SEO** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:53 pm

Bravo Rahne !!...Fine work.

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:22 pm

Nino wrote:
Rahne wrote:
Nino wrote:could you maybe add how many dogs are tested to the failing hips.. it's hard to give a more exact idea when you don't know the amount tested..

eg.
Blustag Little Sunshine at Muensterland (Summer) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 2 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)
Sure, if I know how many are tested
Thanks a lot!
That gives a much clearer image of the ratio of failed hips

eg.
Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!

Don't forget though that I only listed the litters that have known health issues.

In the case of Jackal:
x Blustag Bindaree (Nevada) = 1 dog checked on hips
x Shadowolf Sky Hope (Nanna) = 1 dog checked on hips

TeresaC · Post by **TeresaC** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:51 am

Rahne thank you for this. It is very helpful!!

Czertice · Post by **Czertice** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:39 am

Good job, I appreciate the honesty and responsibility Rahne!

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:35 pm

Nino wrote: Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!

Make that:
19 offspring hip scored
10 failing hip scores.

Post by **Katlin** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:46 am

AZDehlin wrote:
Nino wrote: Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!
Make that:
19 offspring hip scored
10 failing hip scores.

Jesus...that's horrifying!

weylyn · Post by **weylyn** » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:49 am

Katlin wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:
Nino wrote: Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!
Make that:
19 offspring hip scored
10 failing hip scores.
Jesus...that's horrifying!

Yes but it does mean that Zephyr passed

Congrats on that Kate

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:36 am

Yes, Zephyr's BVA score is 11... Which is better that both of the alleged scores of his parents.

firleymj · Post by **firleymj** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:39 am

Kate,

You have an idea of how happy I am to hear that my sire's scores are that low!

Mark

P.S. OK, it was Darwin I met in January, but it was an honest error. Waiting my pup with 'bated breath (oh, wait, the kibble was delicious, but I'm told I smell of salmon!)

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:27 am

firleymj wrote:Kate,

You have an idea of how happy I am to hear that my sire's scores are that low!

Mark

P.S. OK, it was Darwin I met in January, but it was an honest error. Waiting my pup with 'bated breath (oh, wait, the kibble was delicious, but I'm told I smell of salmon!)

I am happy the three pups that have been tested and are known to be Nana x Jackal pups have all scored similar... sister Sequoia 10, Zephyr 11, Leia 12... If you come to the show this year you can meet Zephyr and Zephyr can meet his son/daughter.

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:30 am

AZDehlin wrote:
Nino wrote: Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!
Make that:
19 offspring hip scored
10 failing hip scores.

Ok, any body have and updated number on Jackals offspring and hips?

22 scored now?
9 failing (since Solve was found not to be a jackal pup)?

Post by **Nino** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:06 pm

AZDehlin wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:
Nino wrote: Jackal has

18 offspring with checked hips
10 of these have failed hip scores

that gives him a ratio of over 50% failed hips in the checked offspring of his.. it's a frightening thought!
Make that:
19 offspring hip scored
10 failing hip scores.

Ok, any body have and updated number on Jackals offspring and hips?

22 scored now?
9 failing (since Solve was found not to be a jackal pup)?

Not sure if then Leska, Cheyenne and Kira is counted in this number too, but if so then they would need to be subtracted too (leaving the failing number intact though)

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:40 pm

Ok, any body have and updated number on Jackals offspring and hips?

25 scored now?
9 failing

Post by **Nino** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:43 pm

AZDehlin wrote:Ok, any body have and updated number on Jackals offspring and hips?

25 scored now?
9 failing

I have no idea what the updated number would be but I would think the other way around actually

where did you get the 22 from?
If that one is true (and all the ones thought to be Jackal offspring isn't his) then it would be 22-3 (or 4 depending if Sølve is counted too?) = 19

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:33 pm

Nino wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:Ok, any body have and updated number on Jackals offspring and hips?

25 scored now?
9 failing
I have no idea what the updated number would be but I would think the other way around actually

where did you get the 22 from?
If that one is true (and all the ones thought to be Jackal offspring isn't his) then it would be 22-3 (or 4 depending if Sølve is counted too?) = 19

I got it from your post above plus the fact that Zephyr, Leia, Ravi, Leiah... all passed since that was posted.

Cornelia1986 · Post by **Cornelia1986** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:59 am

AZDehlin wrote:
Nino wrote:
AZDehlin wrote:Ok, any body have and updated number on Jackals offspring and hips?

25 scored now?
9 failing
I have no idea what the updated number would be but I would think the other way around actually

where did you get the 22 from?
If that one is true (and all the ones thought to be Jackal offspring isn't his) then it would be 22-3 (or 4 depending if Sølve is counted too?) = 19
So does the DNA test confirm that Ravi is definitely a Jackal pup?!

I got it from your post above plus the fact that Zephyr, Leia, Ravi, Leiah... all passed since that was posted.

So does the DNA test confirm that Ravi is definitely a Jackal pup?

Vajente · Post by **Vajente** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:45 am

not jet but there is no doubt that he is from Jackal

Cornelia1986 · Post by **Cornelia1986** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:47 am

Vajente wrote:not jet but there is no doubt that he is from Jackal

Ah ok! I thought some where guessing that he is maybe from one of Lynns Malamutes. Maybe I mixed something up

Sorry for that

Vajente · Post by **Vajente** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:35 am

no you are right about that but it is his mother who's the malamute

Post by **TerriHolt** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:52 am

Confusing isn't it

Valravn · Post by **Valravn** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:30 pm

Vajente wrote:no you are right about that but it is his mother who's the malamute

Still amazes me that they got the dogs mother wrong.

arianwenarie · Post by **arianwenarie** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:03 pm

Valravn wrote:
Vajente wrote:no you are right about that but it is his mother who's the malamute
Still amazes me that they got the dogs mother wrong.

I doubt they 'got it wrong', so to speak...moreso intentionally "got it wrong" to cover it up, no? >_>;

Valravn · Post by **Valravn** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:34 am

arianwenarie wrote:
Valravn wrote:
Vajente wrote:no you are right about that but it is his mother who's the malamute
Still amazes me that they got the dogs mother wrong.
I doubt they 'got it wrong', so to speak...moreso intentionally "got it wrong" to cover it up, no? >_>;

Yes, I know. I just imagine them trying to cover their butts by saying, "I thought that pup came out of the other dog. lol My bad."

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:04 am

Another thing that struck me recently... there are 4 pups we suspect being from Nanna, and 3 of those ended up in the US/Canada and the other one is kept by Lynn herself. All the suspected Malamute pups have been kept in Europe

Vajente · Post by **Vajente** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:09 am

I was wondering why that is too, I know they wanted to keep Ravi close so they could possibly use him as stud

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:47 pm

So for the list above, and the list on the database, how many of these were actually *diagnosed* with epilepsy? Or are we calling any seizure epilepsy?
Thank you. Not trying to start a disagreement--just trying to put this in perspective.

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:15 pm

Does anyone know what pairings created juvenile cataracts? Or is this just a rumor?

sky · Post by **sky** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:53 pm

Tracy, there is history of epilepsy behind several of these dogs. I have done a lot of digging. It was even known but disregarded and dogs were used anyway stemming back to the Ute Society days. I'm pretty possitive these two were pretty severe cases like my boy. Not just a lone seizure here and there as has been seen in some.

sky · Post by **sky** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:12 am

I found in some of my digging that Jenny stated in an email that a Bindi x Jackal pup may or may not have had cataracts and that a JJ pup out of her original 2 Blustag dogs may or may not have had. That pups name was Pumba.

They very well could have had them, but Jenny didn't count them as such unless they had irrefutable vet documentation which it sounds like they did not at that time.

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:26 pm

sky wrote:Tracy, there is history of epilepsy behind several of these dogs. I have done a lot of digging. It was even known but disregarded and dogs were used anyway stemming back to the Ute Society days. I'm pretty possitive these two were pretty severe cases like my boy. Not just a lone seizure here and there as has been seen in some.

Thank you, Sky. I absolutely believe you! I was just curious if dogs were actually diagnosed with epilepsy or some other cause for seizures was found, or if any testing was done at all. Just out of curiosity, when someone takes a dog with seizures in, do they do lots of other testing to rule out other conditions--or what was your experience? For example, I read that hypothyroidism can cause seizures. So is it common to run thyroid tests to rule this out before moving on to the more difficult diagnosis of epilepsy?

Hawthorne · Post by **Hawthorne** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:30 pm

sky wrote:I found in some of my digging that Jenny stated in an email that a Bindi x Jackal pup may or may not have had cataracts and that a JJ pup out of her original 2 Blustag dogs may or may not have had. That pups name was Pumba.

They very well could have had them, but Jenny didn't count them as such unless they had irrefutable vet documentation which it sounds like they did not at that time.

That's frustrating!

Any vet can see if a dog has cataracts. We take our lab mix to the canine opthamologist every 6 months to have his cataracts mapped to make sure they aren't progressing. He will eventually need eye surgery. But this info is good to know--thank you very much.

My dogs are all related to the J&J line so I think I will take them in for CERF--but honestly they get looked at by a vet at least 2x per year...I think they would have caught it by now.

Thanks again for the info.

sky · Post by **sky** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:28 am

Juneau had the entire gammet of testing, MRI, spinal tap, all blood and urine tests under the sun. He was diagnosed with idiopathic epilepsy. I'm sure more would test if the testing to rule out everything else was reasonable. We're talking thousands of dollars to say they don't know so it must be epilepsy.

Juneau also was diagnosed with immune-mediated retinal detachments and re-attachment. So basically he has an autoimmune disease where as his own system attacks itself. If the retinas don't reattach when this happens he will be blind.

But luckily right now he has vision. He still seizes monthly, but he will be turning six next month. Oldest tamaskan diagnosed with epilepsy that I know of. I only hope he has had a good life and we have done right by him.

AZDehlin · Post by **AZDehlin** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:38 am

sky wrote:Juneau had the entire gammet of testing, MRI, spinal tap, all blood and urine tests under the sun. He was diagnosed with idiopathic epilepsy. I'm sure more would test if the testing to rule out everything else was reasonable. We're talking thousands of dollars to say they don't know so it must be epilepsy.

Juneau also was diagnosed with immune-mediated retinal detachments and re-attachment. So basically he has an autoimmune disease where as his own system attacks itself. If the retinas don't reattach when this happens he will be blind.

But luckily right now he has vision. He still seizes monthly, but he will be turning six next month. Oldest tamaskan diagnosed with epilepsy that I know of. I only hope he has had a good life and we have done right by him.

That is some great dedication.

CheyenneSunset · Post by **CheyenneSunset** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:11 pm

Hi I own Harwarden Cheyenne who's parents were Kwakiuth and blustag star dust both at Alba and his hips have gone... Happened overnight ... One night he raced me upstairs I his usual "puppy" fashion and next day could hardly move... It's got so bad he won't even jump up to bark at the postman -his usual daily treat!!! Is this a known issue from this parent pairing?
Saira

Miran · Post by **Miran** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:02 pm

CheyenneSunset wrote:Hi I own Harwarden Cheyenne who's parents were Kwakiuth and blustag star dust both at Alba and his hips have gone... Happened overnight ... One night he raced me upstairs I his usual "puppy" fashion and next day could hardly move... It's got so bad he won't even jump up to bark at the postman -his usual daily treat!!! Is this a known issue from this parent pairing?
Saira

Not that I know of. What I know from the dogs at Alba is that they have the best hip scores so I doubt it is something genetic..........
Racing stairs can be a tribute to that.......

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:36 pm

The list needs to be updated but because I removed my previous account I cant...

Alba Zuul at Blufawn (Zuul) x Blustag Desert Orchid at Saxon (Odin) – 1 litter / 1 pup total:
* 1 x Cryptorchidism
* 1 x Epilepsy

Heidi at Blustag (Heidi) x Blustag Sanuye (Bodie) – 1 litter / 8 pups total:
* 1 x Epilepsy

Blustag Lumikoira (Devon) x Jackal at Blustag (Jackal) – 1 litter / 6 pups total:
* 1 x failing hips (2 tested)

Post by **Katlin** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:51 pm

I edited the original post for you

and I put Wylie in there too.

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:07 pm

Katlin wrote:I edited the original post for you and I put Wylie in there too.

Great!

Wolfsbane · Post by **Wolfsbane** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:24 pm

CheyenneSunset wrote:Hi I own Harwarden Cheyenne who's parents were Kwakiuth and blustag star dust both at Alba and his hips have gone... Happened overnight ... One night he raced me upstairs I his usual "puppy" fashion and next day could hardly move... It's got so bad he won't even jump up to bark at the postman -his usual daily treat!!! Is this a known issue from this parent pairing?
Saira

I'm a bit confused...

What do you mean with his hips are gone? He can't use them anymore? And it happened overnight? Doesn't sound like any hip issues I'm familiar with. Did you take him to the vet to get a diagnoses?

HiTenshi16 · Post by **HiTenshi16** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:17 am

Wolfsbane wrote:And didn't Freyja (x Dylan/Zephyr) + Kana (x Jaeger) also produce several Crypto male puppies??? Not up to speed on US litters.

Tarheel Hercules (Adak) from the first Kana x Jaeger litter was reported as Crypto. Kana only had 2 litters, the first with 4 pups, the second I can't remember if it were also 4 or 5.

Post by **Katlin** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:30 am

I think the White Elk litter also had a crypt...I'm not 100% on that though.

eyembrad · Post by **eyembrad** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:54 am

Wolfsbane wrote: Great!

This combination is now listed twice (the Crypto was already listed but now Sawyer also suffers from Epilepsy.

Can you please edit your post above to clarify the registered name of Sawyer with epilepsy so there is no confusion as to which Sawyer has epilepsy. It is not Tarheel Wild at Heart (Sawyer).

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