
Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring
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My two golden retriever girls were hip and elbow scored with sedation and both came back with exellent scores. I think it depends on your vets experience and preference , I will go for that again with Sashas hips if possible. 

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My dog his hips were first X-rayd at a vet with sedation. Then we went to a specialist, who did it without sedation. My dog liked it more without sedation, because he got really scared from being sedated and I liked it more too. At both vets I paid €120,-. But it was no official score, but just for us to see how bad his hips were. I thought that the elbows are more difficult to photograph than the hips and that sedation or anaesthetic is almost always required when the elbows have to be done. Or is that not true?Rahne wrote:In the Netherlands most vets won't do anesthetic for Xrays, only sedation. Some will even do it without sedation if the dog is calm enough.
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Yes with the elbows anesthetic or sedation is common but I know some vets also do the elbows without it, depends on the vet and dog ofcourse. But I think for official scoring sedation/anesthetic is required.Gaby wrote:My dog his hips were first X-rayd at a vet with sedation. Then we went to a specialist, who did it without sedation. My dog liked it more without sedation, because he got really scared from being sedated and I liked it more too. At both vets I paid €120,-. But it was no official score, but just for us to see how bad his hips were. I thought that the elbows are more difficult to photograph than the hips and that sedation or anaesthetic is almost always required when the elbows have to be done. Or is that not true?Rahne wrote:In the Netherlands most vets won't do anesthetic for Xrays, only sedation. Some will even do it without sedation if the dog is calm enough.
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Well that is good news for the dogs. I couldnt do sedation in Finland either and no one here in UK will do it sadly. Their excuse is that the dog has to be absolutely still with no movement in order to get a perfect picture, and as they are upside down on a rack with their legs completely rotated outwards is almost impossible to keep them still enough.
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UPDATE:
After a looongg wait I got Konah's hip results back from the BVA: 3-4 so a total of 7
After a looongg wait I got Konah's hip results back from the BVA: 3-4 so a total of 7

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congratz!Rahne wrote:UPDATE:
After a looongg wait I got Konah's hip results back from the BVA: 3-4 so a total of 7

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I will say well done, sounds low to me.
For those of us who do not know what is a good score for a Tamaskan?
For those of us who do not know what is a good score for a Tamaskan?
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I think this one is correct?

According to the BVA the breed mean score is 10 now for the Tamaskan so everything under that is really excellent.
TDR rules state that you may not breed with a score higher then 18. Most breeds that I know allow breeding with FCI A/B scores and also C if combined with an A score.
A and B are good hip scores, C is considered mild hip dysplasia.

According to the BVA the breed mean score is 10 now for the Tamaskan so everything under that is really excellent.
TDR rules state that you may not breed with a score higher then 18. Most breeds that I know allow breeding with FCI A/B scores and also C if combined with an A score.
A and B are good hip scores, C is considered mild hip dysplasia.
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Great news and good that the BVA did it 

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Brilliant Rahne 

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Thanks that is interesting, it makes more sense of the numbers.Rahne wrote:I think this one is correct?
According to the BVA the breed mean score is 10 now for the Tamaskan so everything under that is really excellent.
TDR rules state that you may not breed with a score higher then 18. Most breeds that I know allow breeding with FCI A/B scores and also C if combined with an A score.
A and B are good hip scores, C is considered mild hip dysplasia.
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Congratulations with Konah's hip scores! 

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Boy, I hope not--our vet also only does digital X-rays and there is a drop down list for the breed information. Freyja is labeled as a Tibetan Mastiff... probably because it was the closest thing alphabetically.Rahne wrote:Yes this is true. They have a database were all information from the dogs with official pedigree is in (name, breed, health scores, owner details etc.) If you send in the x-rays for scoring they need to print out an invoice/bill and if your dog isn't in the system, well then they would have to do it manually...I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the breed isn't listed in the database, and they don't want to add an unrecognized breed to their system, especially if it's only 1 or 2 dogs that will be listed in that category.
As far as I know the scoring system is the same for all breeds, so they don't need to compare it to other dogs of the same breed for scoring.Another reason could be, since the evaluation is so subjective and the dogs are scored according to a scale, they need to compare with other dogs of that breed, to make a relative distinction between GOOD (A) / OK (B) / BORDERLINE (C) / POOR (D) / BAD (E) etc.

Also--one more question: could someone point me in the right direction on the BVA site... maybe this doesn't exist, though. I'm looking for the page on the BVA site where you can look up dog breeds--something similar to this page on the OFA: http://www.offa.org/results.html?num=&r ... gin+Search
Or are results not posted publicly? Thanks!!!
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Thank you, I did find this. I'm looking for individual dog's results. It would be great if these are posted on the BVA site--a way to prevent falsification of records.Rahne wrote:Breed Statistics:
http://bva.co.uk/public/documents/Breed ... istics.pdf
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ok, well I don't think they have the individual dogs listed.Hawthorne wrote:Thank you, I did find this. I'm looking for individual dog's results. It would be great if these are posted on the BVA site--a way to prevent falsification of records.Rahne wrote:Breed Statistics:
http://bva.co.uk/public/documents/Breed ... istics.pdf
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No they dont publish individuals unlike the OFA but the microchip number which is imprinted into the xray before the xray is taken is security enough particularly now as we are microchipping every single puppy leaving here.
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Thank you Lynn & Rahne
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Well, today all three went in to vet at 7:45am for Hip scoring, we stayed with them all through the process except for the x-ray for obvious reasons.
Dakota went first with sedation then Cody and then Nebraska, around 9:30 they were each given a further injection to bring them round and all were back out by 10:45, we viewed each x-ray and have a rough idea of results by initial viewing but this will be determined by BVA which may take upto 6 weeks.
total cost including discount for all 3 at once was £256 + 3 cheaques to BVA each for £50 = £406
Once home all were left to rest for the full day, no walks or excitement etc
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Dakota went first with sedation then Cody and then Nebraska, around 9:30 they were each given a further injection to bring them round and all were back out by 10:45, we viewed each x-ray and have a rough idea of results by initial viewing but this will be determined by BVA which may take upto 6 weeks.
total cost including discount for all 3 at once was £256 + 3 cheaques to BVA each for £50 = £406
Once home all were left to rest for the full day, no walks or excitement etc
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And did it look good for as far as you could see? I hope so!RoyAM wrote:we viewed each x-ray and have a rough idea of results by initial viewing but this will be determined by BVA which may take upto 6 weeks.
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Check with your vet Roy as the BVA only charge £45 per dog! You should get a £15 refund.
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Lynn it was the vet that asked us to make 3 cheques out £50 each addressed direct to BVA and BVA as the payee, perhaps postage may cost more from scotland but if not there may be a pleasant refund of £15Blustag wrote:Check with your vet Roy as the BVA only charge £45 per dog! You should get a £15 refund.
2 results look very good and one not so good, but we will wait on the BVA result
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Well, I hope everything will be okay! My Catahoula has bad hips, I know how tensed I was waiting for the results...RoyAM wrote:Lynn it was the vet that asked us to make 3 cheques out £50 each addressed direct to BVA and BVA as the payee, perhaps postage may cost more from scotland but if not there may be a pleasant refund of £15Blustag wrote:Check with your vet Roy as the BVA only charge £45 per dog! You should get a £15 refund.
2 results look very good and one not so good, but we will wait on the BVA result
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Gaby, good results would be great and time will tell, but regardless of good or bad we wouldnt love them any less.
If anything, the one we suspect that will have a "not so good" result will possibly be loved more, no different from a child born with a defect. And fact is; they are all our children and all have a very close bond.
I am only presuming from seeing the x-rays that one result isnt as good as the others but that sure as heck wont stop the love.
Our first malamute, Bodie also had bad hips, he is the dog next to me in my avator, he was a big boy and lived to the age of 13, 33" in height and 72kg when in his prime, we cut back on his weight as he got older but his hips gave out at the age of 13 years. He was a working dog and some say the muscle he put on helped hold his hips in place, others disagree, one thing for sure, he was a big softy that I still miss to this day.
So many neighbours comment on all 3 saying how well they look and how they want one, thats until i take them round the back to our garden, then they quickly change their mind. lol.
If anything, the one we suspect that will have a "not so good" result will possibly be loved more, no different from a child born with a defect. And fact is; they are all our children and all have a very close bond.
I am only presuming from seeing the x-rays that one result isnt as good as the others but that sure as heck wont stop the love.
Our first malamute, Bodie also had bad hips, he is the dog next to me in my avator, he was a big boy and lived to the age of 13, 33" in height and 72kg when in his prime, we cut back on his weight as he got older but his hips gave out at the age of 13 years. He was a working dog and some say the muscle he put on helped hold his hips in place, others disagree, one thing for sure, he was a big softy that I still miss to this day.
So many neighbours comment on all 3 saying how well they look and how they want one, thats until i take them round the back to our garden, then they quickly change their mind. lol.
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RoyAM wrote:So many neighbours comment on all 3 saying how well they look and how they want one, thats until i take them round the back to our garden, then they quickly change their mind. lol.




good reslut... bad result... same love


... but good luck anyway

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No, I know it wont stop the love! But the downside is that I noticed that I'm more worried than before, like if he is in pain for example. And my dog is very harsh for himself, if he has pain, he probably wont show it.RoyAM wrote:Gaby, good results would be great and time will tell, but regardless of good or bad we wouldnt love them any less.
If anything, the one we suspect that will have a "not so good" result will possibly be loved more, no different from a child born with a defect. And fact is; they are all our children and all have a very close bond.
I am only presuming from seeing the x-rays that one result isnt as good as the others but that sure as heck wont stop the love.
Our first malamute, Bodie also had bad hips, he is the dog next to me in my avator, he was a big boy and lived to the age of 13, 33" in height and 72kg when in his prime, we cut back on his weight as he got older but his hips gave out at the age of 13 years. He was a working dog and some say the muscle he put on helped hold his hips in place, others disagree, one thing for sure, he was a big softy that I still miss to this day.
So many neighbours comment on all 3 saying how well they look and how they want one, thats until i take them round the back to our garden, then they quickly change their mind. lol.


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Maybe Scotland but I wouldnt have thought so as postage costs the same over UK. I have written out a couple recently for £45 and was told by the BVA that is what they now charge. Perhaps you should call them. Ask to be put through to the hip scoring sectionRoyAM wrote:Lynn it was the vet that asked us to make 3 cheques out £50 each addressed direct to BVA and BVA as the payee, perhaps postage may cost more from scotland but if not there may be a pleasant refund of £15Blustag wrote:Check with your vet Roy as the BVA only charge £45 per dog! You should get a £15 refund.

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Les radios de dépistage hanches et coudes ont été faites ce matin....
Je compte les faire lire par le Professeur Moissonnier (lecteur officiel pour les CLTS)
Cependant, avant de les envoyer, je propose de les apporter au meeting de ce week end, afin qu'elles soient consultées librement et en toute transparence (pour les personnes que celà intéresse)
Je compte les faire lire par le Professeur Moissonnier (lecteur officiel pour les CLTS)
Cependant, avant de les envoyer, je propose de les apporter au meeting de ce week end, afin qu'elles soient consultées librement et en toute transparence (pour les personnes que celà intéresse)
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Seems the BVA have now put the price of scoring up to £50 going by the last two dogs we sent to be done.
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Lynn,
As you have advised me, I consulted the website British Veterinary Association, to have the information needed to send radio hips and elbows Mas'Khann
I want to be sure I understood the terms of rates
£ 90 is to read the hips + elbows ? + £ 35 for a certificate of the result ?
So a total settlement of £ 125 ?
Thank you for your reply
As you have advised me, I consulted the website British Veterinary Association, to have the information needed to send radio hips and elbows Mas'Khann
I want to be sure I understood the terms of rates
£ 90 is to read the hips + elbows ? + £ 35 for a certificate of the result ?
So a total settlement of £ 125 ?
Thank you for your reply
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Sorry I cannot answer this as I only know the prices from the UK. IF you contact the BVA and ask them would be best.
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Congratulations to Annette and Anuu on his passing hip scores
He is a Jackal to Jodie boy... litter brother to JJ and Bodie. He is also DM clear so will now be offered up for stud services. We are currently compiling a list of all stud dogs on offer along with info and pictures. These will go online when completed.

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That is great news.
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Congratulations, he is a gorgeous boy 

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Congratulations... He is a stunning boy 

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Congratulations Annette, that's great news 

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Also forgot to mention that both Winnie and Geri have passed their hips, Geri was a 4, which is excellent. 

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Thanks for the congrats everyone! We are thrilled and looking forward to seeing what his future babies look like!
We must post some up to date pics soon !
Lynn ......maybe he would be a suitable boyfriend for Timba when she comes in to season.!!!!
We must post some up to date pics soon !
Lynn ......maybe he would be a suitable boyfriend for Timba when she comes in to season.!!!!
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YEAH....when!!!!




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Has she not had a season yet? How old is she?Blustag wrote:YEAH....when!!!!![]()
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