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Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Molly » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:52 pm

Bonjour,

Sorry, if this subject was already developed on another Post (I looked but I did not find) then I launch to me, with some questions :

1- Tamaskan is it subject to the dysplasie of hips ? elbows?

If yes,

2- for what age, make you the screening ?

3- The official reading, is read by whom? (What is the regulation to be followed?)

4- Are the current breeders (of the whole livestock known and authorized to reproduce) X-rayed too?

5- Exists it a database on this subject exactly?

Thank you in advance for this important information

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Re: Dysplasie

Post by Hawthorne » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:59 pm

Molly wrote:Bonjour,
Sorry, if this subject was already developed on another Post (I looked but I did not find) then I launch to me, with some questions :
1- Tamaskan is it subject to the dysplasie of hips ? elbows?
If yes,
2- for what age, make you the screening ?
3- The official reading, is read by whom? (What is the regulation to be followed?)
4- Are the current breeders (of the whole livestock known and authorized to reproduce) X-rayed too?
5- Exists it a database on this subject exactly?
Thank you in advance for this important information
Hi Molly,
Preliminary hip scoring can be done at one year of age by OFA. Official scores are done at 2 years of age, when the animal is done growing. A breeder may choose or choose not to have the scores published on the OFA website at the time of testing.
The TDR also accepts PennHip scores, which is not a subjective test like the OFA.
The OFA website is: http://www.offa.org/ OFA scores are read by three orthropedic vets, and each vet comes up with a score. The three scores are averaged to come up with a final score.
All TDR breeders are *required* to test hips, and are NOT permitted to breed from affected stock. Non-TDR affiliates do not necessarily test their dogs for hip dysplasia.

I believe other countries have different systems: Britain has BVA.
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Re: Dysplasie

Post by Rahne » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:05 pm

1- Tamaskan is it subject to the dysplasie of hips ? elbows?
There have been a few cases of mild hip dysplasia. No elbow dysplasia.
2- for what age, make you the screening ?
In europe the dog has to be atleast 12 months of age.
3- The official reading, is read by whom? (What is the regulation to be followed?)
The hips are judged by specialists and given a score that's regular in that country (BVA - UK, FCI - Europe, OFA - US).
4- Are the current breeders (of the whole livestock known and authorized to reproduce) X-rayed too?
Yes, all breeding dogs have been scored. All dogs MUST be scored prior to breeding.
5- Exists it a database on this subject exactly?
There is no open database which list all these scores. Some breeders have listed there dogs score on their website.

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Re: Dysplasie

Post by Molly » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:43 am

Thank you for all this information

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Re: Dysplasie

Post by blufawn » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:23 pm

For Europe hip scores you can contact Karsten and Kirsten for information on the Tamaskan Specialist (we now have a vet who just does Tamaskan hip scoring for all of Europe)
But the TDR does require them to be 12 months old before they are done.
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Post by Jen » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:11 pm

Just a question to clarify things for me!! I have read a few different things about the age at which to x-ray Tamaskans for their hip scoring. I notice some have it done a little older than I thought was the norm and I was just wondering why and if it is the set rule or personal preference. In my breed I have always had (golden retrievers) it is normal to x-ray the hips at one and to do this just once in a dog intended for breeding and this score then stands for life and is only done once.

I hope that Sasha will be able eventually to have a litter and obviously will have her hips tested but I dont want her to have to go through sedation/anasthetic more than once, so if one is considered too young to be the final score I will wait until she is older.

Hopefully someone can clear this up for me!! :?

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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by Sylvaen » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:38 pm

They must be at least 12 months old. In America the final OFA score can only be calculated after 24 months old, which is why some owners do the procedure twice (once at 1 year old and again at 2 years old). The result at 12 months old is is "preliminary score" - so, if the hips are terrible they will not get any better... but if the hips are excellent they might score as "good" for the final result. Here in Europe it only needs to be done once, provided the dog is at least 12 months old. This is because pups younger than 12 months are still growing so the hip structure changes slightly. The best age to hip test a breeding dog is 12-18 months... (BEFORE it is used for breeding) but if you just want to test your companion / pet dog then it can be done anytime after 1 year old... I think the older the better because then you can get a good idea of the overall condition of the hips. In America, you can get the PennHip test done earlier and apparently it is more objective / less subjective than basic x-ray analysis. http://www.workingdogs.com/ofa_penn.htm
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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by blufawn » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:06 pm

We do allow people to have their pups scored by Pennhip but still not until they are gone 12 months, just old incase of any complications when they are 'knocked out' for the xray to be taken.
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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by Rahne » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:57 pm

So a score by pennHip is also accepted?
What pennHip score would be considerd minimal for breeding and how does it compare to BVA/FCI scores?

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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by weylyn » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:21 pm

The department of FCI here in Holland is de Raad van Beheer. On their site you can read that here in NL they do not advice pennhip because of that you can do them on a young age and because of different influences the score isn't a live time score. The best age for hip score is at least over 13 months and the best after 15 or 16 months.

The Hip scores goes her in NL through the GGW a health department of de Raad van Beheer and only vets that may make official hip score x-ray have license for that from the Raad van Beheer.
My own vet is one of them so I will phone him tomorrow if that is also with the not recognized breeds like the Tamaskan.

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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by MoirAran » Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:21 pm

Some breeders recommended us to hip at 18 months or older
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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by weylyn » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:36 pm

MoirAran wrote:Some breeders recommended us to hip at 18 months or older
Better yet there are some breeds that may not even do the x-ray under that age.

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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by Jen » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:15 am

Thanks everybody for that. As I said most people in golden retrievers have their dogs x-rayed as quick as possible after twelve months but I suppose that is to get the best score possible with the breed having a few hip problems. Obviously you would get a truer score if you wait a little longer. I had my girls done a little later at two years and eighteen months I think and they were both excellent so if they truly have good hips it doesn't matter to wait longer.

I will probably have Sasha done around the eighteen month mark then I think.

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Post by weylyn » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:30 pm

I phoned my vet today and you can even with an not recognized breed let the x-ray be judge by the FCI. You do not have to but it is possible, here in NL that will cost 50 euro extra.
So I will let my x-ray for Avak be judge by the Raad van Beheer because all my already x-ray-ed dogs have that.

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Re: Hip testing tamaskans

Post by Hawthorne » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:13 pm

We are waiting to have Freyja's official scores done until she is two years of age--when she'll be done growing. Our vet has very little confidence if OFA--and as many have said in other forums--that one day the dog will fail, and the next day the dogs hips will be fine.
Freyja's hips are very flexible, and I am told that they will tighten up more when she is fully mature.
I will be using PennHip instead of OFA. I don't want to waste my money on such a subjective test.
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Molly » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:45 pm

Needs necessarily it to pass by an official reader recognized by the Committee of Tamaskan?
If yes which one ? (name and adress)

Or then I make read the future radios at a French official reader
(for example that of the wolfhounds Czechoslovak)

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Blustag » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:47 am

You can have a French reader do it IF they do it for Official Kennel Club registered breeds. You can also send the xrays to England to the BVA (British Veterinary Association) who have a panel of judges that score for every KC recognised breed in the country and also abroad.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Sylvaen » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:24 pm

Molly wrote:Or then I make read the future radios at a French official reader
(for example that of the wolfhounds Czechoslovak)
Yep, this is fine :)

As long as they are the official reader for France (and are recognized by the official kennel club - FCI) that is the main thing. If they are recognized for CLT by the FCI, as you say, then that is fine. Here in Croatia I had Jasper tested by the official reader for Croatia, recognized by FCI, and Vixen was already tested in England (by the BVA official reader) before I got her.

When you get the results / certificate back from the official evaluation, then you can just send these results (and a copy of the certificate) to the TDR for the health record database. :)
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:12 pm

Just curious but didn't you have problems with getting your dogs scored because they are not an FCI recognized breed? I've been trying for several months now to get Konahs hips & elbows scored by the official body (Raad van Beheer) here in the Netherlands. They keep telling me over and over that they can't score her because she isn't an official FCI breed..
I know they can of course but it seems they just don't want to, it's extra work for them because her data isn't in their system :roll:

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Post by Sylvaen » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:54 pm

It wasn't a problem for me here in Croatia, but I have heard that some people in America had similar problems (but that was more to do with their vet clinic, rather than the official evaluation body). I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the breed isn't listed in the database, and they don't want to add an unrecognized breed to their system, especially if it's only 1 or 2 dogs that will be listed in that category. Another reason could be, since the evaluation is so subjective and the dogs are scored according to a scale, they need to compare with other dogs of that breed, to make a relative distinction between GOOD (A) / OK (B) / BORDERLINE (C) / POOR (D) / BAD (E) etc. I've had issues just going to various vet clinics (for regular check ups, vaccinations, etc) because when I registered the dogs, each place told me a different story (depending on their database / system): that they could be listed as either crossbreeds, huskies, Saarloos, or Czech Wolfdogs: the name "Tamaskan" was not listed as part of their software program and they couldn't update it manually, etc because it was programed by an official company, which based their list on the FCI database, or something like that. Eventually I found a vet clinic near my house that has full control over their database (I think they just use Excel, lol) so the dogs are listed there as Tamaskan Dogs. In your case, you might just be better off listing Konah as a crossbreed... surely they score crossbreeds? Seems unfair that only officially registered / pedigree dogs can be scored, even if it means more work for them... I guess they figure there is no demand to score crossbred dogs (and that these dogs shouldn't be used for breeding) - but there's a world of difference between some random mutt and a selectively bred dog that is part of a distinct breed, which just hasn't been officially recognized by an official governing body: FCI / BVA / AKC / etc. I too agree that random mutts should be spayed / neutered and not allowed to breed (after all, that's exactly why there is such an overpopulation issue) but I also think that ANYONE should be allowed to pay their hard-earned money to have their dog's hips scored, if they want. Otherwise why does such a service exist, if it is exclusive and elitist?
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Blustag » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:16 pm

As I said before one can always send in the xrays to the BVA here in UK...

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:23 pm

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the breed isn't listed in the database, and they don't want to add an unrecognized breed to their system, especially if it's only 1 or 2 dogs that will be listed in that category.
Yes this is true. They have a database were all information from the dogs with official pedigree is in (name, breed, health scores, owner details etc.) If you send in the x-rays for scoring they need to print out an invoice/bill and if your dog isn't in the system, well then they would have to do it manually...
Another reason could be, since the evaluation is so subjective and the dogs are scored according to a scale, they need to compare with other dogs of that breed, to make a relative distinction between GOOD (A) / OK (B) / BORDERLINE (C) / POOR (D) / BAD (E) etc.
As far as I know the scoring system is the same for all breeds, so they don't need to compare it to other dogs of the same breed for scoring.
In your case, you might just be better off listing Konah as a crossbreed... surely they score crossbreeds?
No they don't. Only recognized FCI breeds with pedigree.
Seems unfair that only officially registered / pedigree dogs can be scored, even if it means more work for them... I guess they figure there is no demand to score crossbred dogs (and that these dogs shouldn't be used for breeding) - but there's a world of difference between some random mutt and a selectively bred dog that is part of a distinct breed, which just hasn't been officially recognized by an official governing body: FCI / BVA / AKC / etc. I too agree that random mutts should be spayed / neutered and not allowed to breed (after all, that's exactly why there is such an overpopulation issue) but I also think that ANYONE should be allowed to pay their hard-earned money to have their dog's hips scored, if they want. Otherwise why does such a service exist, if it is exclusive and elitist?
I totally agree ;)
I also find it unfair and there are a lot of breeds that are not recognized yet but well on their way (Boerboel, American Bulldog) etc. They also can't have their dogs scored on the official way. What made me really mad is that they have given one unrecognized breed an exception, 'the old-german shepherd dog'. I contacted the breed club and they were very helpfull but they couldn't tell me what agreements had been made between them and the Raad van Beheer. Their dogs can get scored by the Raad van Beheer so they could also do it for all other unrecognized breeds and crossbreeds.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Sylvaen » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:00 pm

Rahne wrote:As far as I know the scoring system is the same for all breeds, so they don't need to compare it to other dogs of the same breed for scoring.
It should be the same, as you say, but then there is really no excuse why only FCI registered breeds can be tested, and not unrecognized breeds or crossbreeds - sounds like they are lazy and just giving excuses!
Rahne wrote:No they don't. Only recognized FCI breeds with pedigree.
Ridiculous. :evil:
Rahne wrote:I also find it unfair and there are a lot of breeds that are not recognized yet but well on their way (Boerboel, American Bulldog) etc. They also can't have their dogs scored on the official way. What made me really mad is that they have given one unrecognized breed an exception, 'the old-german shepherd dog'. I contacted the breed club and they were very helpfull but they couldn't tell me what agreements had been made between them and the Raad van Beheer. Their dogs can get scored by the Raad van Beheer so they could also do it for all other unrecognized breeds and crossbreeds.
You are absolutely right, that's just nuts! Such a stupid system. In that case, if I were you, I'd do as Lynn suggests and send the X-rays directly to the BVA... then, send the Raad van Beheer a nice little message telling them that you went to the BVA instead and that you won't be using their company anymore until they change their stupid rules. Sounds like they are just being lazy and using elitism as an excuse for slacking. That's no way to run a company, IMHO. :roll:
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:56 pm

Today I went with Konah to the best orthopedic vet in the country to get her hips and elbows x-rayed. I've talked to many breeders from both official FCI breeds and unrecognized breeds and they all told me the same name. He is very experienced and breeders from all over the country go to him for the Xrays. I couldn't send the Xrays to Raad van Beheer but I did receive a scoring on paper from the vet. He also scores some other unrecognized breeds (Boerboel, American Bulldog). Several breeders told me he always makes a prediction before sending in the Xrays for official scoring and he is almost always right so I was confident to have him take the Xrays and score them ;)

Konah behaved really well and her hips and elbows looked great! She got an A for the hips and 0 for the elbows (clear) :D I got the Xrays on CD (they're taken digital here in the Netherlands). Here are her hips:

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Post by Sylvaen » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:01 pm

Nice Rahne :)

Her sockets look good, nice and deep, and the femoral heads are really good too. Are you going to send the X-rays to the BVA now?
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Post by Rahne » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:14 pm

Sylvaen wrote:Nice Rahne :)
Her sockets look good, nice and deep, and the femoral heads are really good too. Are you going to send the X-rays to the BVA now?
Well if the TDR doesn't accept this scoring then I might.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Sylvaen » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:18 am

Yes, I think it is necessary. The rules say an "official governing body" - even if your vet is totally qualified, it still needs to be officially registered with an official certificate that can go into the health database. Your vet is probably right about the scoring, but it still needs to be looked at by an official panel - since the Raad van Beheer won't do it, then the BVA will. It doesn't cost too much as far as I know and it won't take too long either, Jennie can fill you in on the details and what your vet needs to do, with regards to sending the X-rays and where / how. :)
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Post by Rahne » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:05 am

And what about the German vet they gave me the details of then??
He isn't an official governing body either, but if I send the x-rays to him it will be fine??

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Post by Sylvaen » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:04 pm

Some breeders send their x-rays to qualified vets for a second opinion, as was the case with a recent litter in America... however, the final judgment rests with an official governing body (OFA / BVA / FCI / etc) - whichever organization is in charge in a particular country or, if that country's organization can't / won't do it (due to mixbreed status, etc) then one of the international organizations. Otherwise everyone would just ask their vet to give their opinions, which might not necessarily correlate with the actual score.
Rahne wrote:Several breeders told me he always makes a prediction before sending in the Xrays for official scoring and he is almost always right so I was confident to have him take the Xrays and score them ;)
I'm sure he's probably right and, if not, then he won't be far off... but it's still just a prediction of the official score.
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:47 pm

Debby, I do understand what you mean. I know a lot of vets aren't qualified to do hip scoring, that's why I didn't go to my own vet in the 1st place. I don't think it's a good idea for everyone to just go to their own vet, but having one vet that is qualified score all the Tamaskans in a country may be a good alternative if official scoring isn't possible. There are more vets that can do scoring then the 2 or 3 that do the official scoring for pedigree breeds... Because of the problems with getting official scores in certain countries in Europe the vet of Muensterland was going to do the hip scoring for Tamaskans in Europe. Lynn and Jennie have agreed with this. I don't know what his experience is with hip scoring though. The vet I went to scores for several breed clubs of unrecognized breeds and also working dog crosses.

I don't mind sending the Xrays to the UK but I have been told also that I could send them to Germany, but now you say that only official bodys can do the scoring so that doesn't match ;)

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Blustag » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:33 pm

OK here is what was discussed. The vet in Germany was to score ALL dogs across Europe for our TDR..... BUT... and I will be totally honest here. I would much rather have the scores done by official bodies which in turn are actual panels of judges (usually at least 3) such as the BVA or FCI etc than just by one solitary vet. I have nothing whatsoever against this vet, he is lovely, but I am not convinced that he should score for all countries. I am concerned that our scores are absolutely accurate with no room for error. We are in the young stages of our breed, and it would be disasterous for us to be given inaccurate scoring at this moment in time especially. SO my advice to anyone would be to send them to the BVA or other governing body.

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Post by Rahne » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:44 pm

Ok, will mail Jenny this week about sending the Xrays to the UK.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Blustag » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:48 pm

You need to contact them yourself and ask them what your vet needs to do.... http://www.bva.co.uk/ You can only submit them via your own vet. You will also need to pay their fee in advance... not sure what it is from Europe but here in UK it has just gone up with our new tax rate. It was £45 up until last month.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:54 pm

Blustag wrote:You need to contact them yourself and ask them what your vet needs to do.... http://www.bva.co.uk/ You can only submit them via your own vet. You will also need to pay their fee in advance... not sure what it is from Europe but here in UK it has just gone up with our new tax rate. It was £45 up until last month.
umm, well I have to ask them if it's ok to send a copy of the cd as mine were taken digital..

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Post by blufawn » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:04 pm

If I remember rightly Bruce Haig had his Tamaskan dog scored by the FCI in Germany.
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Sylvaen » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:01 pm

blufawn wrote:If I remember rightly Bruce Haig had his Tamaskan dog scored by the FCI in Germany.
Yep, I believe that is correct. So either the BVA in the UK or FCI in Germany, both are good options. :)
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:19 pm

I will be mailing the BVA.
Debby, were did you have Jasper scored? Could I send the Xrays to Croatia?

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Sylvaen » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:37 am

Rahne wrote:Debby, were did you have Jasper scored? Could I send the Xrays to Croatia?
Jasper was scored by the Veterinarski fakultet Sveučilišta u Zagrebu: the official FCI governing body in Croatia... it's the Croatian equivalent of the Raad van Beheer or the BVA (British Veterinary Association). The Hrvatski Kinološki Savez (Croatian Kennel Club) only accepts scores from there (or an equivalent FCI body from another country). You could certainly send the x-rays here for scoring, the price was around 250kn, but the only downside is that the certificates are written in Croatian. Also, the mail system here is pretty slow - I have no idea why because I can receive letters within a few days (up a week) of them being mailed from elsewhere, but letters sent from here take (on average) about 3 weeks or so to arrive at the destination. Anyway, it IS an option... but doesn't really make sense for you, since the BVA is so much closer.
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Post by Rahne » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:05 am

Sylvaen wrote:
Rahne wrote:Debby, were did you have Jasper scored? Could I send the Xrays to Croatia?
Jasper was scored by the Veterinarski fakultet Sveučilišta u Zagrebu: the official FCI governing body in Croatia... it's the Croatian equivalent of the Raad van Beheer or the BVA (British Veterinary Association). The Hrvatski Kinološki Savez (Croatian Kennel Club) only accepts scores from there (or an equivalent FCI body from another country). You could certainly send the x-rays here for scoring, the price was around 250kn, but the only downside is that the certificates are written in Croatian. Also, the mail system here is pretty slow - I have no idea why because I can receive letters within a few days (up a week) of them being mailed from elsewhere, but letters sent from here take (on average) about 3 weeks or so to arrive at the destination. Anyway, it IS an option... but doesn't really make sense for you, since the BVA is so much closer.
Ok, thanks for the information. I want to know all my options in case BVA doesn't accept my XRays. I have mailed the BVA so we will see what they say.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:53 pm

I've been mailing with a very nice lady from the BVA who gave me all the information I needed (unlike Raad v Beheer :roll:). All is set, I will sign the submission form this week that needs to be send out with the Xrays.

Only her hips can be scored though, the BVA requires 6 xrays from both sides and 3 different angulations for elbow scoring. Here in the Netherlands it is common to only do 2 angulations, except for some breeds were ED is common.

I will write down the procedures in Dutch and put it on my website for reference. All Dutch tamaskans can be scored then by BVA :D.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Nino » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:05 pm

Fantastic :D
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by CaliforniaWolf » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:41 am

Rahne wrote:the BVA requires 6 xrays from both sides and 3 different angulations for elbow scoring.
Very costly? I know in Canada it is around...$200.00 for 1 slide and an additionale $80-90 for the next.
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Gaby » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:30 pm

Thanks Rahne! I hope her scores will be good!!

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Post by Rahne » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:51 pm

CaliforniaWolf wrote:
Rahne wrote:the BVA requires 6 xrays from both sides and 3 different angulations for elbow scoring.
Very costly? I know in Canada it is around...$200.00 for 1 slide and an additionale $80-90 for the next.
Well it's not that costly :shock:
I paid around 150 euros for the hips (1 xray) and elbows (4 xrays).

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Blustag » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:23 pm

Here in UK the BVA charge £45 to score but the vet charge anything from £180 to £250 to do the xrays so add those together and you have the total price.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by RoyAM » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:00 am

I was just quoted £100 for x-ray work from Vet & further £50 for BVA, I am requested to pay my vet all fee's and they send the x-rays direct to BVA with payment included.

I havent made my mind up with regards to using my own vet or another recommended one? my own vet says they carry out the x-rays whist dog is under sedation only and do not put the dogs "out" for the progress. Obviously I want an expert on this proceedure and although my vet says he has carried this out many times, it is difficult to decide as I want this carried out by the best i can get.

If anyone knows of a "highly" recommended vet in Scotland please advise

with the pups now being 15 months, if the results are not good (not that I expect this) but if it is an error due to poor vetenary experience, could I get a further HIP x-ray done by another vet due to the pups being under 2 years old? or is it that HIP score can only be done once only?

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Blustag » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:29 am

You can only submit one xray from one vet. IF the vet makes a mistake then the BVA will return the plate for the 'same' vet to do another. Be sure your vet is experienced. Sedation is not recommended only anesthetic.

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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Misaya » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:21 pm

Blustag wrote:Sedation is not recommended only anesthetic.
Really? I would have thought sedation would be safer than the dog being knocked right out? I think Ayasca was sedated when he had his done if I remember correctly.
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Re: Hip Dysplasia - Testing / Scoring

Post by Rahne » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:06 pm

In the Netherlands most vets won't do anesthetic for Xrays, only sedation. Some will even do it without sedation if the dog is calm enough.

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