Quick question

All topics pertaining to health and diseases that may affect your Tamaskan Dog, as well as treatment.
Post Reply
jmarino82
Tamthusiastic (Newbie)
Tamthusiastic (Newbie)
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 6:34 pm

Quick question

Post by jmarino82 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:00 pm

Hey,
We recently got a little male corgi puppy, and I honestly haven't had a male puppy since I was about 8 years old. i was just wondering what is the best age to have him neutered? My vet said between 4-6 months, but that if I do it after 5 it's more $. I just won't want to do it early to save money if it's bad for him. Thank you.

User avatar
HiTenshi16
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 4802
Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 7:11 pm
Location: Princeton, TX US
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by HiTenshi16 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:54 pm

It is better to wait till he is fully matured I would think after 18 months of age (correct me anyone if I am wrong :oops: )
Image

User avatar
Sylvaen
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 5203
Joined: Fri May 07, 2010 3:53 pm
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by Sylvaen » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:55 pm

Personally, I'd wait until 12-18 months so that he finishes growing / developing properly.
Image
The future lies before you, like a path of pure white snow...
Be careful how you tread it, for every step will show.

Rahne

Re: Quick question

Post by Rahne » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:06 pm

Why do you want to neuter him? I would also wait untill he's fully matured.

User avatar
Hawthorne
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 1817
Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 11:07 pm
Location: Pennsylvania | USA
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by Hawthorne » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:09 pm

There are mixed ideas about this. I know many folks on this forum don't neuter until the dog is older. However, here in the US I believe it is rather standard practice to have dogs fixed at 8 weeks old. Our local humane society fixes all dogs before they go home. That was certainly the case for our Australian Shepherd x Lab mix (Fenris) who we adopted from the local shelter when he was 8 weeks old. It's a condition for the sale of Humane Society dogs to reduce unwanted breeding and strays. Fenris is a very sweet and friendly dog. He was, however, fearful as a puppy from day one. He's grown out of most of that due to very hard work on our part. Wether or not that was due to his brief experience in the shelter system, or perhaps he was really younger than 8 weeks when we brought him home (what we sort of suspect), or from being neutered too early, or from maybe being the omega of the litter, who knows.
Just thoughts...
Tracy Graziano
http://www.hawthornetamaskan.com

bark as if no one can hear you
catch the ball on the fly
lick like there's no end to kissing
sleep on a sofa nearby
jump like the sky is the limit
sit by the fire with friends
stay with the ones who love you
run like the road never ends

User avatar
claireyclaire
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 1181
Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 3:59 pm
Location: Wiltshire, UK

Re: Quick question

Post by claireyclaire » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:16 am

I recently attended a course on Canine Biomechanics which was run by Tony Nevin a well known oestepath. He discussed the effects that early neutering can have on the growth plates of skeletally immature dogs, it was very interesting. Following the seminar I tried to research this further, not much research has been done, but I did find these 2 papers, apologies one of them is written in a lot of technical jargon, but it makes interesting reading!

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/longterm ... indogs.pdf


http://www.homeopathicvet.co.uk/pdf%20f ... 0links.pdf
“You can take the dog out of the Wolf Pack, But you can't take the Wolf Pack out of the dog"

User avatar
Hawthorne
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 1817
Joined: Sat May 08, 2010 11:07 pm
Location: Pennsylvania | USA
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by Hawthorne » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:52 pm

Thanks Claireyclaire :D
Tracy Graziano
http://www.hawthornetamaskan.com

bark as if no one can hear you
catch the ball on the fly
lick like there's no end to kissing
sleep on a sofa nearby
jump like the sky is the limit
sit by the fire with friends
stay with the ones who love you
run like the road never ends

User avatar
AngieH
Tamific (Novice)
Tamific (Novice)
Posts: 390
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:29 pm
Location: Ohio, USA
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by AngieH » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:54 am

Very impressive articles!

I will be printing these out and taking them with me to the vet when it's time for "the talk"
One's horizon shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
~Nin

User avatar
michifloo
Tamific (Novice)
Tamific (Novice)
Posts: 301
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 5:04 pm
Location: South Central Wisconsin, USA

Re: Quick question

Post by michifloo » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:44 am

Personally, if you have no intention of breeding the pup, do wait until he is AT LEAST 6 months of age. This will give the dog time to develope their secondary sex charcteristics and provide time for his bones to mature. Many Vets are not well versed in "micro-neuters" as well, so it really is, as a private owner (as opposed to a rescue or shelter) optimum for the dog to just have to wait ;)
"I like my dogs more than most people"

User avatar
AngieH
Tamific (Novice)
Tamific (Novice)
Posts: 390
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:29 pm
Location: Ohio, USA
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by AngieH » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:22 pm

michifloo wrote:Personally, if you have no intention of breeding the pup, do wait until he is AT LEAST 6 months of age. This will give the dog time to develope their secondary sex charcteristics and provide time for his bones to mature. Many Vets are not well versed in "micro-neuters" as well, so it really is, as a private owner (as opposed to a rescue or shelter) optimum for the dog to just have to wait ;)
I really appreciate your insight. Though I have decided spaying my girl is the responsible thing to do in our situation, I am wrestling with the issue of optimal timing to minimize the risks associated with it.

I do wish there was more published on this topic. I think the politics of the issue in the US (where keeping pets intact is highly discouraged) gets in the way of good information and research. It's almost as if the HSUS and the ASPCA are afraid that if people are encouraged to wait, they might never get around to it.

Whatever side of the issue one embreces and however noble or sincere one's motives, getting in the way of the the persuit of knowledge is just shameful :evil: IMHO. (sorry, commenting on the free flow of ideas is kind of my pet rant. We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum thread.)
One's horizon shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.
~Nin

User avatar
TerriHolt
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 3274
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:56 am
Location: UK, East Yorkshire
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by TerriHolt » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:59 pm

AngieH wrote:It's almost as if the HSUS and the ASPCA are afraid that if people are encouraged to wait, they might never get around to it.
i think it's more of a case of the dog escaping and accidental matings occuring. there are shelters full to busting and not getting your pet done if you have no intention of breeding runs the risk of more muts in shelters... but round hear, people who do intend to breed get funny looks off some people and judged by others but it's always the same type... staffies, poorly bred GSD's "teacup" yorkies and anything with poodle or that sounds good with a X name.

i blame people. irrisponsible breeding, poor health and over breeding of a "type". if people didn't breed for the money, back to back litters, poor health or breed and "swap" pups for house hold items it might not be such an issue. people see sam has not been done and i've had lectures about "if the dog gets out" and tuts (mostly off old busy bodies :roll: ). there is a lot of preasure in that dept but to an extent i understand why. people just need to get their head around the fact they can't tar everyone with the same brush and not everyone is going to breed to the max or infact at all.

there are people who are 100% against it like Rahne, who, i must say has a tendency to jump doen the throat (sorry :oops: ) of anyone that mentions it questioning them as to why in kinda the same way that people who think it's a must ask why not (sorry again :oops: :D ).

Edit: ohhh, i just re read that and i didn't mean anything bad by it... i just meant that people who think having all pets done is a must are just as passionate as people who are against having it done... i think ALL staffies should be done but thats because of how many i see each week on various websites...
Image

There’s a battle between two wolves inside us all.
One is Evil. It’s anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego.
The other is Good. It’s joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness and truth.

The wolf that wins? The one you feed!

~ Cherokee Proverb

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity... I'm not sure about the former.

~ Albert Einstein

Rahne

Re: Quick question

Post by Rahne » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:58 pm

TerriHolt wrote: there are people who are 100% against it like Rahne, who, i must say has a tendency to jump doen the throat (sorry :oops: ) of anyone that mentions it questioning them as to why in kinda the same way that people who think it's a must ask why not (sorry again :oops: :D ).

Edit: ohhh, i just re read that and i didn't mean anything bad by it... i just meant that people who think having all pets done is a must are just as passionate as people who are against having it done... i think ALL staffies should be done but thats because of how many i see each week on various websites...
Umm, sorry? I'm not against neutering/spaying at all if it's done for good reasons and some thought has been put into it.. What's wrong with me asking someone why they want their pet neutered? Usually people will spay/neuter because it is more convenient for the owner but they don't think about what's best for the dog. Most of the times people only see lots of advantages but not the disadvantages.

Do you want staffies extinct?

User avatar
TerriHolt
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 3274
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:56 am
Location: UK, East Yorkshire
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by TerriHolt » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:42 pm

i don't want staffies extinct at all and there is seriously no danger of that the rate pups are 'produced'... but the amount of staffies i see for sale on various website, thare are more pups than people wanting them. on panorama, it was on about a shelter and 90% of the dogs in there were staffies and a fair few on death row. that was just 1 shelter. just the other day i saw a guy walking down the street with 2 preg bitches and 1 dog... they are having to kill staffies because there are too many of them and not enough people wanting them... but thats besides the point...

like i said... i didn't mean it in the context it came out in and i, in no way what-so-ever intended to offend. i just ment people with set views have a passion for that view which i admire in a person. someone with no views must live a boring life with nothing to disguss (my passionate views are the over breeding and backyard breeder problems and the problems animals are currently facing because of gumtree)... people who get on at me about not having sam done are just expressing their passionate view (i just wish they would do it with less yelling)... it's my choice to not to, not theirs but it still doesn't seem stop them huffing and puffing while more or less sprinting off with their dogs as fast as their old legs will carry them (which wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they wasn't soo rude about it :( ... one of them has recently told me i could socialise sam with "mitzy" ( a Lhasa Apso) when he's no longer fully equiped. i'm pretty sure other people in the area have the same view (not the fact he has pointy ears like i first thought), they all run off in the oposit direction in the same way :roll:

yes, you have said that you agree with neutering/spaying if the dog has hiredetory problems or other medical problems that endanger the dog.
Rahne wrote: I'm not against neutering/spaying at all if it's done for good reasons
Rahne wrote:Tuskyn looks lovely! :)
Boreal wrote::lol: world domination. He is a stunning boy but good for you for neutering him :)
Why is that good? I don't see any reason why a dog should be neutered even when it won't be used as a breeding dog unless it would be for medical reasons
Image

There’s a battle between two wolves inside us all.
One is Evil. It’s anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego.
The other is Good. It’s joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness and truth.

The wolf that wins? The one you feed!

~ Cherokee Proverb

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity... I'm not sure about the former.

~ Albert Einstein

User avatar
Katlin
Tamificent (Guru)
Tamificent (Guru)
Posts: 2739
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:48 am
Location: Calgary, AB
Contact:

Re: Quick question

Post by Katlin » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:59 am

Ah, yeah, I can see where this could get a bit sticky. I think Rahne's point is that is someone has a good reason, their dog should be fixed but that shouldn't be the case for all pets so long as you watch them. Is that right Rahne?

I think we can agree there is a difference in opinion, people like me are pro fixing and others are not quite as set on it :)
Polarose Tamaskan
Polardog Outfitters
Owner of Sierra Kaweah RN RI TDI TRN TTDN CRN-MCL @ Polarose

Rahne

Re: Quick question

Post by Rahne » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:16 pm

Right. I would like to see people consider all the pros AND cons before making a decision and think about WHY you want to spay/neuter your dog. In some cases it might actually do more wrong then good... It shouldn't be seen as 'standard procedure' in my opinion.

Post Reply