What is "strenuous" exercise?

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What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by WhiteElkStag » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:56 pm

Does anyone have any advice for how much exercise is too much?

I like to take Rhea and Sophie on a two-mile walk once a day. They seem to enjoy it during the walk and when we get home they fall asleep for an hour or two. I want to be careful that I don't make them overexert themselves so any advice from someone with more experience would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by Jen » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:07 am

I would say that is way too much for two young puppies particularly of a large breed. Up to the age of about 6-9 months puppies should only really have small gentle play sessions where they can control how much they run and small trips out for socialisation.

Big trecks at this age really could damage growing bones and joints.

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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by Nino » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:05 am

Everywhere I read it says - 1 minute per week the of the puppy..

I'd say 2 mile is WAY to long, and I wouldn't even take Sølve on one yet..
Better let them play around outside and walk shorter walks
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Post by Rahne » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:38 am

I agree with the others, 2 mile is too much for young pups. I didn't take Konah for walks longer then 10 minutes the 1st few months. I would carry her and then put her down on the grass so she could play a bit and let her walk for a short distance and then carry her again.

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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by malamutemick » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:04 am

The general rule for large breed puppies is 5 mins per month of age. So 4 months is 20 mins & so on twice a day,it is important not to over exercise when young as this can cause hyperactivity & joint problems in later life

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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by WhiteElkStag » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:11 pm

Excellent, thank you. I'll shorten our walks right away.
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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by jyotin » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:37 pm

malamutemick wrote:The general rule for large breed puppies is 5 mins per month of age. So 4 months is 20 mins & so on twice a day,it is important not to over exercise when young as this can cause hyperactivity & joint problems in later life
So at what age would you stop increasing the time of exercise? (when are they no longer considered "puppies")

Also, what includes strenuous exercise? Does it include playtime (catch, etc).

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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by Sylvaen » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:12 pm

Nino wrote:Everywhere I read it says - 1 minute per week the of the puppy..
malamutemick wrote:The general rule for large breed puppies is 5 mins per month of age. So 4 months is 20 mins & so on twice a day
Yep... both these methods are pretty much the same: 4 months (16 weeks) = 16-20 mins "walks" at a time, a couple of times a day. I wouldn't do any more than that... just give them plenty of access to play in the garden or park with other pups / dogs... then they can rest when they get tired.
jyotin wrote:So at what age would you stop increasing the time of exercise? (when are they no longer considered "puppies")
Though growing pups do have a lot of energy and CAN walk for a long distance, it is much better to limit their exercise until they are at least 8 months old, then you can start building it up slowly until they are 12 months old when it is possible to begin more strenuous exercise (hikes / sled training / etc). Technically, large breed dogs are still "puppies" until around 18 months old, when they start to mature mentally... until that age they are still growing. It's much better to play it safe when they are young, so they can enjoy a full, healthy and active adulthood... than to overdo it when they are pups and end up with a crippled dog by the time it reaches adulthood.
jyotin wrote:Does it include playtime (catch, etc).
Playtime is not too strenuous because the pups can rest when they want (though you should also keep an eye on things so they don't get too exhausted from running around / wrestling / etc). It's also better if they can play for a long time, throughout the course of the day, rather than keep them cooped up inside and then only short periods to release energy - these short bursts of exercise do a lot more damage than gentle, maintained exercise over the whole day. You can play "fetch" with your pup but definitely not "catch" - NO jumping up to grab objects (sticks / balls / etc) until at least 12 months old... it puts incredible strain on the muscles and each landing can put stress on the joints, which can cause real long-term damage. The same goes for climbing stairs (for pups under 6 months old) and jumping on/off furniture.

I'm not sure what info your Breeder provided, but this is my advice / terms that I gave out to my puppy purchasers, taken directly from my Purchase / Ownership Contract:
The Buyer agrees to maintain preventative care of the puppy with regards to hip dysplasia, such as adequate nutrition, proper exercise (in moderation), and preventing stress injuries:

- No forced or excessive exercise. Over-exercise includes forced jogging, pulling, running, and overly long walks. Activities MUST be limited in accordance with puppy’s age and puppy MUST be allowed to rest (or be carried) when tired. For the first few months only limited exercise is permitted (this is particularly the case from 3-7 months). After 1 year the puppy may gradually increase activities and begin sled training, etc. After 18 months, puppy may resume all the activities of a regular adult dog, with as much exercise as necessary or desired.
- Not allowing the puppy to climb up / down stairs until the age of at least SIX MONTHS (puppy must be carried instead, until that age)
- Not allowing the puppy to jump on / off furniture, in / out of cars, from any height taller than its shoulder, or for any object higher than its shoulder until the age of at least NINE MONTHS! (puppy must not be allowed to jump up for sticks / Frisbees / etc, until that age as this puts tremendous stress on the joints.)
- Not allowing the puppy to run / play on very hard surfaces (concrete, etc) or very slippery surfaces (polished wood floors, etc) or very soft surfaces (soft sand, snow, etc) until the age of at least NINE MONTHS.
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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by jyotin » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:03 am

Thanks! I've printed out your entire reply and posted it on the kitchen fridge to remind the rest of the family members. I carry him around when we go for walks and put him down for a bit, then up. And we haven't played catch the only game we really play at this point is rolling a chew toy across the floor for him, we do have slippery wood floors so don't want him slipping and sliding into walls!
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Post by Sylvaen » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:43 am

No problem :)
jyotin wrote:we do have slippery wood floors so don't want him slipping and sliding into walls!
Yeah, another problem with slippery floors is that they can easily loose balance and their feet can splay out from under them (like a starfish) because they can't get good grip, and this can pull muscles, etc. The best surface for pups to play on is grass or hard-packed snow. :)
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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by JulieSmith » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:52 am

Thanks this is very useful, I always wondered how much was enough or too much. I used to take Thor for an hour walk in the morning, though if I was just taking our 13 year old terrier I can do the same walk in about 30 mins, the rest of the time was taken up with chatting to other people about Tamaskans.

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Post by WhiteElkStag » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:47 pm

Excellent, thanks for the info.
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Post by Hawthorne » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:10 pm

Our vet told us that environmental factors (such as slippery floors) only contribute about 10% to hips and the rest is genetic.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Misaya » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:04 am

Hawthorne wrote:Our vet told us that environmental factors (such as slippery floors) only contribute about 10% to hips and the rest is genetic.
Any thoughts?
I'm not sure how your vet would know this. There would have to have been studies done on various test groups, eg puppies brought up living outside, living in carpeted homes and living with wood/tiles etc. (I'm sure I read in one of Ian Billinghurst's books (when I was feeding BARF) that even having newspaper in the whelping box can affect their hip development as they slide around on that.) They would also have to factor in exercise and nutrition. Probably also using puppies from the same litter to take account of the genetics.

Perhaps these studies have been done but I dont honestly know.
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Re: What is "strenuous" exercise?

Post by Blustag » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:13 am

Newspaper in whelping boxes by itself is not good. Not only bad for the hips but can also cause Swimmers Syndrome which is a nightmare. I use the newspaper for underneath the vet beds which give them good grip at least until they are over 4 weeks old and moving around fine on their own.

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Post by Hawthorne » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:54 pm

Misaya wrote:
Hawthorne wrote:Our vet told us that environmental factors (such as slippery floors) only contribute about 10% to hips and the rest is genetic.
Any thoughts?
I'm not sure how your vet would know this. There would have to have been studies done on various test groups, eg puppies brought up living outside, living in carpeted homes and living with wood/tiles etc. (I'm sure I read in one of Ian Billinghurst's books (when I was feeding BARF) that even having newspaper in the whelping box can affect their hip development as they slide around on that.) They would also have to factor in exercise and nutrition. Probably also using puppies from the same litter to take account of the genetics.

Perhaps these studies have been done but I dont honestly know.
The logic makes sense if you think the vet would be encouraging you to just have your dog fixed. Once we move, I plan on interviewing several vets about what their personal philosophy is. Some vets think all pets should be fixed, period. I think we ran into this where we had Freyja's preliminary hips done. The vet also went on and on about how Freyja's hips were loose. Granted she was very flexible as a puppy, but she was also tested at an inappropriate time--too close to her heat cycle. I wasn't aware of this OFA recommendation at the time, and the vet didn't say anything after I told him when her heat cycle was. The resulting Xray was great--positioning was very nice--but if the vet knew what he was doing, I think he would have advised that we wait a little longer after Freyja's heat cycle.

I'm feeling rather suspicious of the vet's comments, too. I would think to do this study the genes that cause hip dysplasia would have to be known, and how they work. And they're not.
I guess the older I get, the less I trust people :roll: Show me the scientific papers...
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