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General temperament question

Post by Tankerman » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:53 am

Hi all. Just want to ask some general temperament questions regarding the Tamaskan.

I read from the breed standard that the Tamaskan is on the whole a friendly breed. And somewhat easier to train and less stubborn than a Husky or Malamute. However, I also read that the Tamaskan, being a new breed, it's temperament is not yet "fixed" and can vary alot for individual dogs. So what is the status of the breed's temperament? Can you have a fair amount of confidence over it? Or is it unpredictable? Can they be trusted off-leash or are they like huskies and can't be off-leashed. Or does that depend on the particular temperament of an individual dog?

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Re: General temperament question

Post by Katlin » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:31 am

I'm going to speak for my own dog. Everyone else can give opinions on their dogs.

Wylie is from Leilah (Nevada X Jackal) X Darwin (J&J Night Owl X Alba Sverical at J&J). He is quite stubborn and will only train with me for about 10 minutes before he gets bored. He's very smart and will learn a trick in about 5-6 repeated attempts. He is an extreme puller, it's very hard to walk him on a leash. He must be kept on a leash because of his prey drive. He adores cats, but will chase them if they run. If he sees a rabbit he's gone. Anything that moves is fair game and he can and will chase it. The furthest he's ever run for something was a rabbit for 7kms non-stop. He isn't destructive at all though!
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Re: General temperament question

Post by Booma » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:39 pm

Balto is a friendly boy, but can be anxious with new people due to the breeder poorly socialising him as a puppy. He is very smart, and isnt too bad at loose lead walking, so long as we are in a no distraction environment. I got balto at 10 months, so will most likely never trust him off lead. If I had had him from an 8 week old pup, this may be a different story.
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Re: General temperament question

Post by martinbernstein » Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:05 pm

Cannot trust my tam girl off leash.

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Re: General temperament question

Post by martinbernstein » Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:07 pm

I made the mistake of trusting her off leash when she was younger and she would be gone for hours at a time. Eventually she ran away for an entire night. Came back with her face and shoulders covered in blood. Likely a deer.

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Re: General temperament question

Post by Tankerman » Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:29 pm

Thanks for the replies so far, keep them coming!

I guess there is some variety over temperament, but in general, would you say most Tamaskans would roughly fit the breed standard? Also, how do Tamaskan's temper differ from the Czechoslavakian wolfdog and the Saarloos wolfdog?

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Re: General temperament question

Post by firleymj » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:33 pm

Truth: I'm dealing with a 5 month old puppy

General observation: One of the friendliest, best socialized dogs I've EVER seen (Thanks in large part to wonderful breeders, thank you Ben and Tracy of Hawthorne)

Prey drive: There are two parts: (1) will they chase (in his case "yes") (2) what do they do when the catch (in his case it's usually "play with me" - unless you're a squirrel or chipmunk)

Smart, quick to train, easily bored (doesn't need 200 repititions to get "sit" but also won't "sit" more than about 6 times in a row without looking at you like "Stupid human! We've done this to death already!" (Fortunately for me, Kona's rather food motivated, so liver treats work to prolong the behaviors)

Off leash, recall is a issue - it's not that he won't at all - but he does it at HIS speed, and not because I ask. :o And bless his heart, the same thing applies to "fetch" - he will eagerly get the ball, but returning it is unlikely. With Kona, this can be
(1) Take the ball and keep running, making his human chase after him to keep the game going or (2) return to the human with the ball, and continue an equal and opposite distance in the other direction to keep the game going. Returning it to where we started has so far eluded me :D

EXTREMELY good with other dogs, won't bother the parrot or the tortoises (we have 2 in the family and currently 2 more we're fostering until they get a home) - doesn't attack non-squirrel wildlife - has been within 3 feet of a rabbit and just looked at me to figure out if he should be concerned. Thinks all geese hate him because they run into the air or water when he play bows to them :lol:

Great with kids, although he can get a little squirmy when a large crowd of children surrounds him, but he usually reacts by looking to me for a cue - a small pet under his neck and he's reassured quickly. Tends to mouth the ears of dogs he's close to by way of saying "you're in my pack" which doesn't always translate to Yorkie or Chihuahua, apparently :P

On the whole, a remarkably smart and sweet dog! (OK, I'm biased - but believe me, it's not that I'm any animal behaviorist - I got lucky with both his bloodline and his breeder - all I have to do is work hard to NOT screw up what God gave me to work with here.)
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Re: General temperament question

Post by HiTenshi16 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:31 pm

I have two Tamaskans, they are both eager to learn and if it were not for the area I live in, I could of had more training for off leash but I will not trust them.
Ulric, my first, is very laid back, will happily lounge on the couch, loves playing with other dogs and sometimes 'referees' others if they are not including him in play. He was great around people until after he turned a year when he missed out on some socialization due to my husband being sick for a few months. He is much better now, loves greeting people when they come into our home, more cautious outside of the house (especially on tile floors like a store). Spend some time with him with treats for a while and you become his new best friend. He rather pull on the leash, especially if there are other dogs around, otherwise he can be good and not pull. He has better potential for being off leash, but if he sees something he wants to play with, might as well forget it. He loves to snuggle with our cats if they let him, as long as they are not running he will not chase them.
Zelda, who is about to turn 1 year old, is such a love bug and overly friendly. She is full of energy and loves everyone she can greet, unless there are other dogs around then she has to go to each one and give them 'kisses' on their mouths. She is happy to cuddle up next to me on the couch or in bed. She wants to play with the cats but does not realize that they don't want to play the same way other dogs do, so when the cats show they are annoyed, she will lay down staring at them waiting until they give in. She is also quite persistent, loves using her paws. She will keep pawing at me until I take her outside (and she is not gentle about that). She is quick to learn new tricks, and has decent recall, would not trust her off leash though because she loves to chase interesting small things.
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Re: General temperament question

Post by Tana » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:17 pm

I have experience with two tamaskans, Tana (VegaXSampo) and Volkec (JodieXJackal).

They are both very sweet and loving, very nice with strange people, children. They love them all.

With dogs: Tana is perfect, she is submissive and playful, Volkec is a confident intact male and he will react to other dog's threats. If other dog is submissive, he will play with him without any problem.

Prey drive: Tana has prey drive, she looks everything that moves, like huskies. She will probably kill her prey (she killed some mice and that is it, I never give her a chance to catch other animals. I train her for SAR, so it is very important to leave animals (alive, lol)). I redirect her prey drive to toys, balls, searching humans...very successfully so far.

Volkec: has less prey drive than Tana but has a looot of food drive. His life guide is finding a food.This could be induced by the fact that he has more wolf in him. They are very similar but in some cases I noticed Tana acts more like husky and Volkec more like wolf. He has (had) very bad SA as well and is (was) very destructive.

Recall: Tana is perfect offleash and has wonderful recall no matter, if there is a hundred dogs, cats, rabbits, etc...because I followed some simple rules, when she was a puppy. Now she is almost everywhere off leashed. (I don't give her food everytime she comes to me any more, she is no in the box all the time and she gets some food from the hand (trainings) and some from the bowl. )

Here are rules I followed (copy from my other post):
"1.When I don't working with her (playing, walking, teaching tricks...) she is in the box. Limiting is very important in positive dog training. Punishment here is, that dog doesn't receive food and that you not pay attention to him.

2. All food she receive from my hand, for reward after good job, nice behaviour. I rewarding everything I like. Especially attention on me.

3. She gets most of a food on a walk. She is (was) alwyas on a leash (long leash, 10m or longer). At the beginning, when there was no one, I hid her. When she came, reward.

4. Habituation: I work with her on a bus station, on a field, in the forest, in the shoping center, on a dog show...Leash, food, attention on me, tricks, sit, down, stay...

5. Socialization: Play with other dogs just enough to recall her to play with me. Socialization does not mean play with other dogs! Your puppy must learn about many different dogs, small, large, friendly, playful, a little less
friendly. So, I'm taking her to the dog, she becomes familiar with him, I give her a treat infront her nose and take her on. The most important thing is that you are, for your dog, more important than the environment. I have extra nice food for meeting other dogs and people.

6. I am working with clicker. Click, food, click, food. Tana, she looks at me, click, food. On a walk, she walking, walking, Tana, she turns, click, she must come to me, to get her reward.

7. Working with helper. He holds her, I go away, call her, immediately, when she start run very fast, I click and then she give reward, when comes to me. After a while I say YES, instead of click so I don't need to always have a clicker with me."

I noticed that you have to be 100% consistent, especially if you are dealing with confident male like Volkec, who knows, that can easily survive without you.

My opinion: recall depends mainly on the method of training and not so much on the breed of dog, even proper trained husky can be trusted off leash.

Tankerman wrote:Also, how do Tamaskan's temper differ from the Czechoslavakian wolfdog and the Saarloos wolfdog?
I know a few CSWs, they have some characteristics from GSDs such is distrust of foreigners, (over)protective to his owner, dominance towards other dogs (same sex dog aggression). Or fearful from the wolf. Tamaskans are more like huskies (with a little wolf-content or none) than GSDs or wolfs so with tamaskan you probaly won't deal with that kind of problems. Volkec does have some wolf in him (we still waiting for the results of DNA analysis) but he is not shy at all.

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Re: General temperament question

Post by weylyn » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:59 am

Tankerman wrote:Also, how do Tamaskan's temper differ from the Czechoslavakian wolfdog and the Saarloos wolfdog?
Well I have all 3 saying that one of my tammies has Valko as granddad and Bobbi as a dad. The other one has oskari in her line .
The CwD is indeed more protective, the normal Saarloos is more shy....I say normal because mine isn't.
My Cwd,Saarloos,Tammies and well my Midas hihi are all absolutely not what people think if they read standards and then meet my woofers.
I think that maybe is because I totally agree with this saying of Tana but I even say it goes even farther than just the recall.....
Tana wrote:My opinion: recall depends mainly on the method of training and not so much on the breed of dog

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Re: General temperament question

Post by TParham86 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:14 am

I have one Tamaskan, so I will share my experience :)
- First, she is very sweet and loving, always greets people, just a very friendly outgoing girl. She lives with two cats and gets along with them both very well, one of my cats I found as a 12 wk. baby kitten and she took to her quick, now those two have like an inseparable bond.

- She plays very well with other dogs as long as they are friendly dogs, if it's an aggressive dog she will avoid them at all cost.

- Her prey drive is pretty high, she chases anything that moves, bunny rabbits, lizards, birds, bugs, etc.

- Her recall is outstanding, I started it when she was 10 wks. old when she already had that puppy instinct to follow me around, so when I called her name or she'd follow me naturally I would give her treats and I just continued that to this day. These days, I don't like to give her food every time but will do it from time to time to re-enforce the behavior. Usually on our walks, she'll be off leash and she'll chase the birds and bunny rabbits and stuff but when I call her she always comes back. The only thing I don't trust with her off leash is if there are other people with there dogs in the area, and that's only because the other owners often get afraid that my dog will harm there dog when she's running at full speed to greet them ;)

- Teaching her sometimes can be a challenge, some tricks she picks up with only a few sessions other tricks takes a couple of days for her to understand what I'm asking. She tends to anticipate my commands and will roll over when all I tell her is to lay down :lol: very food focused.

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Re: General temperament question

Post by iamnic » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:08 pm

I have littermates (Heidi X Bodie) who have temperaments on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Naima is, and always has been, extremely confident (borderline too much) and social. She's a lover and always wants to be next to you, underfoot, or touching you somehow. She loves meeting both people and dogs, and is the one that we allow strangers to pet. She's an entertainer and could probably work in a circus--she picks up tricks instantly and is constantly offering behaviors to get your attention. She's extremely food motivated and will train for as long as the treats keep coming.

Kona is our scaredy cat. When we got her, she was wary of men and kids, and needed very proper, formal intros with other dogs. We've worked with her a TON, and she's now fine with men as long as they don't crowd her. She's still unsure about kids, but my boyfriend and I don't have any kids so her exposure (and therefore practice with) is minimal. As for dogs, she still doesn't meet dogs well while on leash, and honestly, it's a confidence thing. She's scared of strange dogs, and does the whole "I'm gonna get you before you can get me" thing. We're working on this. Like her sister, she is food motivated, but gets frustrated more easily during training. While she's definitely not as social as Naima, she has bonded with my boyfriend and I, and has become considerately more affectionate to people she's familiar with.

Their off-leash recall together is mediocre. As long as we can get one of them to return, the other will eventually follow. If we keep one on-leash and let the other off, recall is excellent and they don't range very far. They've never chased anything down, but this is probably just because of a lack of opportunity. We live in downtown LA, and the only small things that move around here are plastic bags and cockroaches...but you can be sure that the minute it does it has their full attention in stalk mode.

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