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Are these dogs Tamaskan or a different breed?

Post by Kootenaywolf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:08 am

Yeah, Emba and Hargo definitely don't have any extra wolf blood added! They are pure CSV. Demoniak probably has some timber wolf added and is no longer really a CSV, though he is technically registered as one (probably falsely).

Oh and I forgot another really lovely CSV, Belle Runningwolf.

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Re: Does anybody know if this really is a Tamaskan Dog?

Post by Kootenaywolf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:09 am

Oh and Hargo was young and in summer coat in that one full body shot. I have seen others where he looks much less leggy/rangy.

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Re: Does anybody know if this really is a Tamaskan Dog?

Post by Tiantai » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:38 am

While she does look beautiful and pretty wolf-like in the first two photos, she still has a more doggy face in the third picture from the side view. But she still looks more like a dog to me nonetheless when compared to the photos of the wolves and coywolves shown by caninesrock above.
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Re: Does anybody know if this really is a Tamaskan Dog?

Post by caninesrock » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:19 am

Yeah, Emba and Hargo definitely don't have any extra wolf blood added! They are pure CSV.
Awesome. I love Emba's look. I was hoping pure Vlacks could look that good. ;)
Demoniak probably has some timber wolf added and is no longer really a CSV, though he is technically registered as one (probably falsely).
I wonder if it had been European wolf they added into him, if they could still stretch it and consider him a Czech Vlack since European Wolf was used in their creation. However, if Timber was used, he's definitely not a purebred Vlack because there was no Timber Wolf used in the creation of the Vlack.

Belle is really beautiful. I love her look just as much as Emba's.
Oh and Hargo was young and in summer coat in that one full body shot. I have seen others where he looks much less leggy/rangy.
He still looks kind of doggy in the face to me though.
While she does look beautiful and pretty wolf-like in the first two photos, she still has a more doggy face in the third picture from the side view. But she still looks more like a dog to me nonetheless when compared to the photos of the wolves and coywolves shown by caninesrock above.
Unless you have a dog with actual wolf recently crossed in, I don't think you're going to find a purebred breed of dog that looks much more like a wolf than a Czech Vlack. Some huskies of certain coat colors come close though,especially Sable and Agouti colored ones in my opinion. And a select few West Siberian Laika can have very wolfy looking heads.

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Re: Does anybody know if this really is a Tamaskan Dog?

Post by Misaya » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:58 am

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I like him a lot. He's very handsome :)
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Re: Does anybody know if this really is a Tamaskan Dog?

Post by Kootenaywolf » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:08 am

Tiantai wrote:While she does look beautiful and pretty wolf-like in the first two photos, she still has a more doggy face in the third picture from the side view. But she still looks more like a dog to me nonetheless when compared to the photos of the wolves and coywolves shown by caninesrock above.
Yeah I'm not saying these CSV look like pure wolves by any stretch. I just think they are wolfier looking than your average CSV. Personally, to me she has quite a wolfy profile actually, but like someone else said, we all see these things differently.

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Tamaskan or not???

Post by weylyn » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:14 pm

Just a bit for fun.
I want to show some photo's of dogs. And you guess if they are or aren't tamaskans.....

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by Booma » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Well, ill probably get them all wrong, but ill give it a go:
no, yes, no, yes, no, no, yes, no.
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Post by TerriHolt » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:56 pm

I can imagine me getting them all embarrassingly wrong :D

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No
4) Yes
5) No
6) No
7) Yes
8) No

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Post by weylyn » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:22 pm

Want to see some more people joining before I tell :mrgreen:

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by Katlin » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:29 pm

1. No
2. Yes - one of Kim's dogs
3. No
4. Yes - Looks like one of the OBX litter?
5. No
6. No
7. Yes - Ookami
8. Yes - Susi @ Blustag
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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by Misaya » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:51 pm

1. No
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. No
6. No
7. Yes
8 Yes

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by arianwenarie » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:17 pm

1. No.
2. J&J Moonlight @ Ta-Kari (Takeia)
3. No
4. OBX pup?
5. No.
6. No.
7. Alba Glen (Ookami)
8. Susi @ Blustag

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by weylyn » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:25 pm

Katlin gave you a had a go yes. Number 4 is Waytt. The rest is indeed correct.
Any guess what kind of breed the other 4 are? They are of the same breed....

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Post by arianwenarie » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:34 pm

weylyn wrote:Katlin gave you a had a go yes. Number 4 is Waytt. The rest is indeed correct.
Any guess what kind of breed the other 4 are? They are of the same breed....
Wyatt looks a lot lighter in that pic than I remember him to be - must be the lighting. ;)

Are the other 4 Saarloos?

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by Katlin » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:13 pm

Haha well yay! I figured it was him but I couldn't remember if his mask was that red. Guess so ;)

Utonagan maybe? Or Saarloos?
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Post by weylyn » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:46 pm

No the other 4 are West Siberische Laika's of a friend. She recently also registered under the name Janne but her name is Chris :D

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Post by Janne » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:10 pm

They are indeed our laikapuppies, more of them you can see on the website www.siberischelaika.nl
Ofcourse their tail would have given them away right away.

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Post by arianwenarie » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:12 pm

Heh. I had a funny feeling they weren't Saarloos. But it was worth a shot. ;) Cute pups, btw. Good job on picking the pictures as none of them really have a good shot of the tails. lol.

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Post by Katlin » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:24 pm

Nice looking dogs! Just the tails that get me :(
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Post by weylyn » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:14 pm

Katlin wrote:Nice looking dogs! Just the tails that get me :(
For the Tamaskan yes. But I would not like to see a Laika without it :mrgreen: :lol:

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by Ryphen » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:39 pm

Picture 5 looks like the classic "I'm going to shove you into the pool from behind."

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Post by balto13 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:44 am

Katlin wrote:Nice looking dogs! Just the tails that get me :(

yea, but a lot of tams have curly tails too, and I don't think everybody is against having curly tails in their lines :(

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Post by Katlin » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:19 am

balto13 wrote:
Katlin wrote:Nice looking dogs! Just the tails that get me :(

yea, but a lot of tams have curly tails too, and I don't think everybody is against having curly tails in their lines :(
Not *that* curly. Some husky-like curly tails but the only one with a "snap back" tail is an Alba dog.
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Post by weylyn » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:11 am

Ryphen wrote:Picture 5 looks like the classic "I'm going to shove you into the pool from behind."
Also thought it was a great shot :mrgreen:

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Post by Misaya » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:48 pm

The laikas are lovely looking dogs :)
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Post by Whiltierna » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:01 am

I'm the one needing some training! :o
*sits up in chair, focuses on eyes and color pattern and scrolls*
Yes, yes, yes?, yes, yes, yes, uh,....maybe I think they are all yes's because I've changed the question in my head from "is this a Tamaskan?" To "Would you like/want this pup?" YES! All of them. :3

Can I get some correction? :oops: what do I look for?

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Post by AZDehlin » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:36 am

Whiltierna wrote:I'm the one needing some training! :o
*sits up in chair, focuses on eyes and color pattern and scrolls*
Yes, yes, yes?, yes, yes, yes, uh,....maybe I think they are all yes's because I've changed the question in my head from "is this a Tamaskan?" To "Would you like/want this pup?" YES! All of them. :3

Can I get some correction? :oops: what do I look for?

I think a lot of it is these tamaskan photos have been on the internet for a few years so the people who have been around for a while and start remembering certain dogs and the photo's.

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Post by arianwenarie » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:51 am

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Whiltierna wrote:I'm the one needing some training! :o
*sits up in chair, focuses on eyes and color pattern and scrolls*
Yes, yes, yes?, yes, yes, yes, uh,....maybe I think they are all yes's because I've changed the question in my head from "is this a Tamaskan?" To "Would you like/want this pup?" YES! All of them. :3

Can I get some correction? :oops: what do I look for?

I think a lot of it is these tamaskan photos have been on the internet for a few years so the people who have been around for a while and start remembering certain dogs and the photo's.
That's definitely what it was for me. But a striking difference that I see is how the coat blends and the masking of the Laikas versus the Tams. To me, it looks like the Laika's black in the coat melds more into their colors - for Tams, it looks like black overlays. You'll also notice the shape of the eye: the Laikas have rounder eyes whereas the Tams have more almond shaped eyes. It may also be the angle of the pics, but the Laika's seem to have slightly broader skulls than the Tams.

Any Tam experts who can chime in on whether or not I made a fool of myself up there ^ ? Haha. :lol: :oops:

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Re: Tamaskan or not???

Post by weylyn » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:32 pm

arianwenarie wrote:
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Whiltierna wrote:I'm the one needing some training! :o
*sits up in chair, focuses on eyes and color pattern and scrolls*
Yes, yes, yes?, yes, yes, yes, uh,....maybe I think they are all yes's because I've changed the question in my head from "is this a Tamaskan?" To "Would you like/want this pup?" YES! All of them. :3

Can I get some correction? :oops: what do I look for?

I think a lot of it is these tamaskan photos have been on the internet for a few years so the people who have been around for a while and start remembering certain dogs and the photo's.
That's definitely what it was for me. But a striking difference that I see is how the coat blends and the masking of the Laikas versus the Tams. To me, it looks like the Laika's black in the coat melds more into their colors - for Tams, it looks like black overlays. You'll also notice the shape of the eye: the Laikas have rounder eyes whereas the Tams have more almond shaped eyes. It may also be the angle of the pics, but the Laika's seem to have slightly broader skulls than the Tams.

Any Tam experts who can chime in on whether or not I made a fool of myself up there ^ ? Haha. :lol: :oops:
Of course it has a bit to do how the angle is on the photo's but I understand what you mean. I especially took older photo's of tamaskans because the patterns on these where quit different on what is the main pattern in the Tamaskans. Of course there are a lot of difference between Laika's and Tamaskans BUT the common things are getting closer these day's in my opinion...I see laika's with same patterns and faces as some tamaskans and the other way around....
Chris and I even mentioned some time that we would be curious in how much alike the DNA would be because we think lots of grounddogs( way before the foundation dogs) in these two breeds would be the same.( just our thinking he ;) )

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Post by Nino » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:01 pm

The WSL in these photos seems to have more "round" faces, shorter muzzles which makes it looks like they have more coated faces than the Tams (which I do not think they have more rather it being an optical illusion because of the rounder faces and shorter muzzles). They also have rounder eyes I believe and stockier bodies than the General Tam.. Also I would love to see their ears on the Tam - they are very nicely coated and "build"
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Post by Tiantai » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:39 pm

They all look beautiful regardless if some are not Tamaskans
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Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by Deraleek » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:21 pm

I have been looking into getting a Tamaskan for close to a year now, but never seem to catch the right time to look for upcoming pups. However, while browsing for a rescue dog to bring to a forever home, I came across a "Timber Wolf" posting. I am getting him today and know that the chances of him being an actual wolf are very low and it is more likely that he is a hybrid of some sort. When looking at his pictures it appears to me that he looks more like a Tamaskan. From these two images I can assume it will be difficult to compare to breed standard, but I was wondering if anyone could take a look and let me know what you think. As far as size goes, I should note that he is 10 months old. I will be able to post more later once I am off work and can bring him home.

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So far I have been able to notice the stop, ears, nose/lip/eye pigmentation, head wedge, and eye color. In the first picture I noticed that the front legs are not close together but do appear to point outward, but this could just be how the picture was taken if you consider the tail moving in the background he may not be standing still. Like I said, I will be able to get better pictures once I have him home.

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by Tatzel » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:02 pm

I don't think it is a Tam, I find the head part above his eyes to be too short/small in comparison to other Tams, but of course I could be mistaken.

If there is really wolf in him I'd say he's very very low content.

Regardless of that I think he's a very handsome looking dog! Good luck with him :)
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by Deraleek » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:25 pm

Tatzel wrote:If there is really wolf in him I'd say he's very very low content.
The fact that his nails are not all black (or black at all from what I can see) is a dead giveaway to me that he is not a wolf, or incredibly low content. His current owner was probably misinformed by the person she got him from in an attempt to collect a larger payment for him. That being said I am incredibly excited to bring him home.

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by HiTenshi16 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:01 am

Does not look like a Tamaskan to me at all. Looks like a husky mix, like many you can come across in rescues (just browse around Petfinder for a bit), I don't think there is even any wolf at all in that pup.
Why buy a dog claimed to be a wolf that looks like that when you can find plenty others who look the same needing homes in shelters?
(Hope I'm not seeming rude, I don't mean to be :oops: )
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by Whispyr » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:19 am

HiTenshi16 wrote:Does not look like a Tamaskan to me at all. Looks like a husky mix, like many you can come across in rescues (just browse around Petfinder for a bit), I don't think there is even any wolf at all in that pup.
Why buy a dog claimed to be a wolf that looks like that when you can find plenty others who look the same needing homes in shelters?
(Hope I'm not seeming rude, I don't mean to be :oops: )
I had interpreted it to a similar situation. In most shelters he would not last long or be accepted at all? Depends on the region what their rules are. He is also 10 months old. But there wasn't enough info provided to really make definitive conclusions. Sounded like he did go through petfinder or some similar source.

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by Nimwey » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:39 am

The face and ears are kind of wolfish - but yes, if any wolf content, it's low.
You can always look this site up: http://texx-wolf-tails.webs.com/lowcontentwolfdogs.htm
They have pages on mid contents and high contents too, very informative.
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan?

Post by firleymj » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:02 pm

I'm not the expert some of the other posters are, but living with a Tamaskan makes me say "I would doubt he is one" myself. However, there are a number of wonderful husky crossbreeds that would (I think) be closer.

The point for me is this - you opened your home and heart, and may that be rewarded with years of joy

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Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by caninesrock » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:40 pm

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I wasn't sure where to put it. So, I found a site about Tamaskan Rescues but it says they also take in other wolfie looking dogs and even New Guinea Singing Dogs. The dog I'm wondering about is this guy:
http://www.freewebs.com/tamaskanusa/app ... =165258201

If he's a Tamaskan, holy smokes! That's one heck of a good looking Tamaskan. I so want a Tamaskan in that color. It's like the exact color of a wolf.

Another pic:
http://www.freewebs.com/tamaskanusa/app ... =165258257

I'm trying to debate between a very nice looking upper-mid-content? wolfdog for his breed or an extremely nice looking Tamaskan.

Thoughts or does anybody know this dog and know his breed?

Thanks.

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by Booma » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:30 pm

Links don't work for me.
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by caninesrock » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:00 am

Kylievr wrote:Links don't work for me.
That's weird. Both work fine for me. But anyway, the dog's name is Reeby.

And here are the pics:
Face Close-Up:
[img=500x500]http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/17/70/5 ... CF3011.JPG[/img]

Full Body Laying Down:
[img=500x500]http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/17/70/5 ... CF3039.JPG[/img]

Edit:Sorry. The images won't show up,but maybe the direct link to them will work if you copy and paste it?

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by Booma » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:19 am

nm, the links work from a computer. michif is the person in america that tam rescue works through. Very good looking dog, but since i havent seen him advertised on the forum or on the tam rescue fb page i would have to say he isnt a tam.
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by Tatzel » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:31 am

Doesn't look like a Tam to me.
I think this guy is a low to mid content wd, his bones are massive (look at those legs), as well as his head. The space between eyes and ears is pretty huge (and wolf like), too. Also his ears have a different shape than most Tams have, more rounded and smaller. I have never seen a Tam with those colors in the masking, too.

A very pretty dog, though!
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by HiTenshi16 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:03 am

Definitely not a Tamaskan, I'd say not even a Tamaskan mix but agree with Tatzel, looks more like a low/mid content wolfdog.
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by Sylvaen » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:50 am

As the others have said, not a Tamaskan (or Tamaskan mix) but a dog that was adopted out via Tamaskan Rescue USA, which also deals with lookalikes and low content wolfdog mixes.
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by firleymj » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:19 pm

I'm of the same opinion - having known both real wolves and WDs over the years, I'm voting with the majority!
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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by caninesrock » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:33 am

I kind've figured he was wolf-dog cross,but just wanted to make sure. I kind of wanted him to have no wolf in him and still look that good. But I guess it's not possible to have a dog that wolfy looking without wolf crossed in recently. *shrugs* :/

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by Lynwae » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:59 pm

Husky mix.
Low/no content

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Re: Is this a Tamaskan, Wolfdog cross, or something else?

Post by caninesrock » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:11 pm

It doesn't look anything like a husky imo :?

Wolf Grey Huskies:
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Wolf Grey Husky Face Close-Ups:
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Sable Huskies:
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Agouti Huskies:
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All images are from http://www.huskycolors.com/colors.html

Those are the most wolfy-looking Siberian Huskies I can find imo and none of them look anywhere near as wolfy as Reeby imo. The ear,muzzle,and head shape on some of the above dogs is simliar to Reeby imo,but none of the dogs have hair as blended as Reeby's imo. The closest to his color are Gamble and Goosack,the first two Wolf Grey husky face close-ups,but even their fur isn't as well blended imo. You can clearly see where the white, tan, and gray end and begin. Mallory is probably the closest in body and head shape to him imo. Unfortunately, there is only 1 standing pic of him shot from far away and I can't see if he has a V-cape or not.

I'd personally guess Reeby to be a lower end mid-content wolfdog if I had to make a guess to his breed. Imo, he doesn't look like only a pure dog or even only a low content wolfdog. Imo, he looks like he has quite a bit of wolf in him based on his well-blended coloration and his ear,muzzle, and head shape and size imo.

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