The Black-Grey Tamaskan

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Kootenaywolf » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:10 pm

Wow, personally I think that black girl is very gorgeous and quite wolfy looking. She looks quite different from a black GSD to me!

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Post by maartendq » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:15 pm

I agree, love the eyes together with the black coat

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Post by Blustag » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:35 pm

Nice dogs but to me they scream German Shepherd and I used to breed them for many years ;)

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Post by Sugalba » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:09 pm

Very interesting thread this. I agree the black one looks like a German Shepherd but a Utonagan crossed with a black shepherd already could be interesting to then mate to a Tamaskan. It has diluted the GSD already a little bit so any pups could be less GSD more Tamaskan but all black.

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Blustag » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:37 am

One thing you all seem to be forgetting are the health issues! German Shepherds and Utonagan are suffering from Hip Dysplasia amongst many other things and I for one dont want to introduce any problems into our breed. I also dont wish to bring the heavy head and large ears of the GSD nor the mixed bag of coat types and eye colour from the Utonagan. This is just to mention a few downsides.

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Taz » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:44 pm

The gsd x uts just don't do it for me, to much like gsds.

Also, if that gsd is the one I think it is, it comes from a kennel with far from a shining reputation.
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Post by WhiteFaolan » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:45 pm

I have to admit I was dubious about the black colouring when first introduced to the breed. You only have to see Winnie in full tilt to appreciate her beauty, to me she is a real show stopper and should be indicative of what can be produced, in my years campaigning with various wolf charities I have to add that there are numerous generic types of wolf, all notably different in appearance and sometimes general form depending on where they hail from. A perfect example being the little known Iberian wolf, it depends what you would deem a wolf 'ought' to look like. My favourite still lies with the light grey (obviously as I have my own light boy) but to say they resemble mixed breed's/mutts is a little harsh. I'm not sure how to quote a post yet, but referring to the original post......you will find no better platform to ask questions and get the 'right' answers than here. Unfotunately there seems to be no shortage of 'experts' when it comes to this breed. In the last 8 weeks alone I have met countless people in the street who have a friend, and, or neighbour who "has one of those dogs" and quite obviously they haven't but everyone likes to add their experience or advice. Sadly, often mistaken or well meaning, but ill informed.
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Post by kendrrat » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:31 am

Blustag wrote:One thing you all seem to be forgetting are the health issues! German Shepherds and Utonagan are suffering from Hip Dysplasia amongst many other things and I for one dont want to introduce any problems into our breed. I also dont wish to bring the heavy head and large ears of the GSD nor the mixed bag of coat types and eye colour from the Utonagan. This is just to mention a few downsides.
i totally agree, while it might be interesting to think about how pretty they might be, i wouldnt want to see this actually added into the breed for that exact reason

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Post by Hawthorne » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:27 pm

I am just still thrilled that Jennie has Winnie :D
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Sammi58 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:03 pm

So btw, out of curiosty, when winnie comes of age, who do you guys intend to breed her with? And why breed her with that particular male?

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Post by Rahne » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:12 pm

Sammi58 wrote:So btw, out of curiosty, when winnie comes of age, who do you guys intend to breed her with? And why breed her with that particular male?
She will be bred to Diesel first! He is a black-grey male so hopefully they will produce some more black-greys ;)

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Blustag » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:18 pm

Diesel is not only a black/grey but he is from parents who are BOTH black/greys
so the chances are of producing black/grey are much higher ;)

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Post by Rahne » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:21 pm

Blustag wrote:Diesel is not only a black/grey but he is from parents who are BOTH black/greys
so the chances are of producing black/grey are much higher ;)
Umm, I don't think that matters. My theory:
Genetically speaking Diesel is the same as Tumanra / Rann because the Black Grey is recessive (bb).
Pups from Tumanra x Skye (or any other Wolf Grey males) were all Wolf Grey so they were probably BB. BB x bb will produce Bb so all of Tumanra her pups will most likely be carriers of the Black Grey but not showing as it is recessive. Tumanra and Rann produced a whole litter of Black Grey, this makes sense as they were both bb. bb x bb will produce 100% bb.

Tumanra comes from Wolf Grey parents who must have been carriers (because they didn't show it), Bb x Bb will produce BB, Bb (both Wolf Grey) and a small chance of bb (Tumanra, Black Grey). So then Tumanra, Rann and Diesel are all bb and therefore have equal chances of producing Black Grey no matter what's behind them..

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Blustag » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:45 pm

The only black/grey that we had was Tumanra and her first generation grandparent was a black/grey. NONE of the others in her linage are black/grey. She was mated to Rann (black/grey) and produced Diesel along with Dallas of course. All Dallas's first litter were grey mated to Dingo.
For those that dont know Tumanra and Rann were the only black/grey we had before their litter was born which were all black/greys. I would like now to see more black/greys without the white chests and with yellow eyes... now wouldnt that be nice :lol:

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Taz » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:03 pm

Yes that would be very nice. Though I must confess to prefering amber eyes.

Black grey wolves with white chest patches aren't unheard of, but I agree both black grey wolves and tamaskans would look nicer without them.
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Post by Nino » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:07 pm

If I should ever want to get a Black grey it should be with yellow eyes.. so I think I will just wait till this trait is more "dominant" in the breed :)
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Sammi58 » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:42 am

Oh, I've seen a video of Diesel, he is veryyyyy pretty. Omg, I cant wait till that happens! And yea, I dont see why they wouldnt all come out black, but i mean... After all, winnie was randomly born as a black-gray so I wouldnt be surprised if gray pups were mysteriously came up. :P The Tamaskan do have their moments of unpredictableness.

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Post by Czertice » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:54 am

Black wolf color comes from dogs, according to Stanford scientists:)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142137.htm

Therefore if you breed for black Tamaskan, you are trying to make a wolf-without-the-wolf look like a wolf-with-a-bit-of-a-dog. Some black Tams look very pretty.
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Post by Hawthorne » Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:08 pm

I vote for pink Tamaskan. Pink is the new black. haha. just kidding.
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Ciaobella » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:12 am

I would kill for a pup from Diesel & Winnie!
When will this breeding occur? (sorry if the question was already asked and I missed it)
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Post by blufawn » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:06 pm

I think Jan/Feb but dont quote me on that ;)
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Blustag » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:45 am

Winnie is due in season December so pups forecast ready to go April/May 2012

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Post by Nino » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:47 pm

This is a Belgian Malinois/Siberian Husky
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except for a few obvious things I think it looks rather nice :)
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Post by Valravn » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:11 pm

Nino wrote:This is a Belgian Malinois/Siberian Husky
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except for a few obvious things I think it looks rather nice :)
:o That dog is absolutely beautiful!

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Post by TParham86 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:47 pm

That's a very beautyful dog :D

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Post by MIKA » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:40 pm

Wow, he looks a bit scary 8-)
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Post by susann » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:45 pm

Earlier I did not like gray / black Tams but now I think they are incredibly beautiful :D

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Post by Nino » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:12 pm

susann wrote:Earlier I did not like gray / black Tams but now I think they are incredibly beautiful :D
Same way with me :oops:
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Post by Blustag » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:20 am

Winnie is due in season very soon and mated to Diesel should produce all black so let us have your orders :lol:

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Post by Booma » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:32 am

Blustag wrote:Winnie is due in season very soon and mated to Diesel should produce all black so let us have your orders :lol:
I would prefer a wolf grey, but looking at pics of the black grey I'm liking them more than I did before.
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Blustag » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:14 pm

Winnie is IN season today :lol:

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Post by Rahne » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:24 pm

Blustag wrote:Winnie is IN season today :lol:
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Post by Katlin » Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:18 pm

Horray!
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Post by HiTenshi16 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:14 pm

Awesome! :D
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Post by Booma » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:55 am

Yaaaayyy. Hopefully there's enough pups for everyone infront of me on the waiting list haha
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Post by EskyTheHusky » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:16 am

Can't wait to see these pups :D
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Post by AZDehlin » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:21 am

This is great news, hopefully some more black grey in the near future :)

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Post by Katlin » Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:09 am

I don't think she will be bred for a while...or am I missing a post?
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Post by Rahne » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:43 am

Boreal wrote:I don't think she will be bred for a while...or am I missing a post?
She is going to be mated with Diesel, she has had all the health testing done and is of the right age so I don't see why they should wait longer?

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Post by HiTenshi16 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:38 pm

Rahne wrote:
Boreal wrote:I don't think she will be bred for a while...or am I missing a post?
She is going to be mated with Diesel, she has had all the health testing done and is of the right age so I don't see why they should wait longer?
I thought females were not allowed to be bred until they were 2 years old, and I'm positive she is not that old yet as Ulric is not 2 years old yet and she is younger than he is :|
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Post by Booma » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:02 pm

HiTenshi16 wrote:
Rahne wrote:
Boreal wrote:I don't think she will be bred for a while...or am I missing a post?
She is going to be mated with Diesel, she has had all the health testing done and is of the right age so I don't see why they should wait longer?
I thought females were not allowed to be bred until they were 2 years old, and I'm positive she is not that old yet as Ulric is not 2 years old yet and she is younger than he is :|

Isn't it 15 months?
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Post by MelB » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:36 pm

I also thought it was 2 years as the limit (but understand that this is a little flexible due to season timings). Winnie is Cindy's litter sister so has just turned 17 months on 24th Oct.

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Post by Rahne » Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:24 pm

No it's not 2 years, it's 15 months. I would personally wait for 2 years but following TDR rules Winni can be mated now.

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Post by Blustag » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:06 am

Also to take into account is the fact that when she is mated she then has
a couple of months before giving birth which will put her just short of 2yrs old.

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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by blufawn » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:41 pm

I do not like mating females before 18 months of age, but her season was two months early and it seems silly to wait another 6 months for the sake of a few days
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Post by Katlin » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:36 am

Fair enough, I guess I had the date (waaaay) off ;) good luck with the mating!
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by SarahG » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:35 am

EskyTheHusky wrote:Can't wait to see these pups :D

Me too,me too! :D

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Post by Booma » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:11 pm

So is Winnie preggo?
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Re: The Black-Grey Tamaskan

Post by Blustag » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:19 am

No Winnie hasnt been mated. Her ovulation tests have proved negative sadly.

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